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10-20-2021 , 03:11 PM

III PRO III

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On a 3bet pot when we have top set on a 2 low flop card with 2 flush without a low do we pot get it in or call to see turn and fold on a low card?

flop was 3

My hand: A

if opponent has A2xx we are doing great, problem is if he has A2 and flush draw i think we are in a very bad shape.

How do we play these spots with no low draw?

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10-20-2021 , 04:03 PM

J4J

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Depends on a lot of things, including if you have one opponent or four. Maybe the best general rule though is we don't want there to be no bet at all on the flop.

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10-20-2021 , 04:06 PM

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Depends on a lot of things, including if you have one opponent or four. Maybe the best general rule though is we don't want there to be no bet at all on the flop.

This was heads up. I suppose with more people on the pot I would have to go with the hand less chance of splitting?

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10-21-2021 , 06:57 AM

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With SPR=4 you should mostly be getting it in on the flop.

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10-21-2021 , 07:12 AM

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With SPR=4 you should mostly be getting it in on the flop.

That makes sense. We were 85bb deep tho. If there was no flush draw i think would be fine to stack off with no low.

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10-21-2021 , 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by III PRO III

That makes sense. We were 85bb deep tho.

No big difference anyway. SPR is around 3,5 assuming pot raises pre.

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If there was no flush draw i think would be fine to stack off with no low.

I don't think the possibility of fd is that relevant at such low SPRs. It's not like flatting changes that much. Make SPR +10 (single-raised pot) and things start to be quite a lot different.

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10-21-2021 , 08:19 AM

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No big difference anyway. SPR is around 3,5 assuming pot raises pre.

I don't think the possibility of fd is that relevant at such low SPRs. It's not like flatting changes that much. Make SPR +10 (single-raised pot) and things start to be quite a lot different.

I know we are a ahead on the flop but with a flush draw and 2 low cards just feels like we are gonna chop a lot and potentially get scooped.

This reminds in normal PLO when we have JJxx flop comes J T 5 with 2 diamonds, if villan would have KKQQ with flash draw, straight draw and
Outs for better set we are basically underdog already on the flop with top set.

In plo8 it's even worse because we have no low.
What you think about this?

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10-21-2021 , 08:25 AM

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What you think about this?

I think it's the wrong type of thinking. It's a hand that is never dead and still has decent equity against monsters like A256+fd. You can't worry about such stuff in HU SPR=4 pots. There are a LOT of hands that you are ahead of on the flop, thus you are pushing equity and should try to get it in.

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11-10-2021 , 12:43 PM

Kalaea

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You are basically flipping vs random A2, about 42:58 vs A2 with diamonds, and way ahead of random AA. You are ahead of A2 without diamonds. Add in some other random stuff that can call a 3bet like AKK3, and you're ahead enough here. You also still have a live ace for low on some runouts.

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