Hero... MAWG First time playing Big O but I have been playing O8 for many years and it is my most profitable and favorite game. This game is almost never run at this casino.

Villain 1.... Sammy Farha lookalike with a cigar instead of a cigarette. Very aggro with medium strength hands. He has been overly aggressive with just one side and nothing for the split.


Villian 2.... Clueless. Complaining about running bad when getting it in with 9 high flushes and 3rd nut low draws all day. Sadly, he is a $100 short stacker.


OTTH... 2/2 Big O.

Hero is on button. Several limps. Hero raises to $17 with A2A57
2 callers

Flop ($55) AK5

Checked to Hero who bets $45. Both call.

Turn ($186) 8

SB checks. ($75 behind)
MP bets $125 ($150 behind)
Hero??

insta fold... u have a crap low, and top set, on a flushed board. ur low cant be good... do u think ur set is really good? u said these are players that wont fold weak flushes. ur drawing to half the pot, fold.

pretty easy fold imo. we draw to half the pot and we don't even have good equity in that direction.

Card 5 cannot be in more than one place at the same time!

Just for/from my curiosity:

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: AK58

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Ad2dAh5h7c	24.98%	28,189	125,712	0	168,001	12,143
40%:SS	75.02%	323,883	474,288	0	419,856	12,143

easy fold.

my preference is to bet flop smaller, as well.

In my home game (social), the other day on a board of A27, rainbow, three players got it all in for over 300bb each.

One had 2256, the other two had 34xx...with xx being random paint.

Turn came 3, and guy with bottom set/awful low scooped a huge pot.

Not sure why I'm posting this, except to say that many people have no idea how to play Omaha...they think it's like Holdem. I constantly see players calling huge bets with flush/straight draws or sets when a wheel is on board.

We know 9 cards so there are 43 left. 10 of them give us aces full or quads, and 33 do not. so we are 3.3:1 against improving.

Taking the most favourable case and assuming that SB will call there is $386 in the pot. $193 will go to the hi, so we are getting significantly less than 2:1 on $125 call.

Set of aces is usually the most overrated hand in Big O. Check flop, maybe call, maybe fold depending on action. Take a free card and try to make a boat.

This makes no sense - why are you betting small on the flop?

lol

You understand this is hi/lo, right? If the board doesn't pair, there are precisely 3 cards you're going to want to see on the turn - 9, 9 and 9. Everything else is bad or not great. (A heart gives you a draw to half the pot. So you're paying for a draw to a draw to half the pot for a heart.) Again, set of aces - possibly the most overrated hand in hi/lo.

I think his logic is that you need to bet since both opponents were so weak that you lose Fold Equity by not betting, but by betting pot you just expose your hand more since it really isn't that strong (just appears to be because everyone thinks TOP SET!!! from their NLHE days).

Top set is the most over-valued hand in BigO, seen so many people go broke with it when they have no re-draws (or even blockers for that matter).

OK to be fair, if you're playing against clueless players who think weak hands are the nuts, then it might be right to play some slightly weaker hands too. The problem is, then there is a very fine line between you and them.

I understand this is hi/lo, yes. I have been playing it full time as my main game for the past 15 years.

You seem confused, especially the "paying for a draw to a draw to half the pot" part. Running some propokertools sims might give some clarity. A rather dry top set isn't the best hand on this flop, but it's decent.

On to the hand: if I understand OP correctly, on the flop the pot is $55, SB has $120 behind, MP has $195, Hero covers.

Now I don't think checking the flop is horrible, but I strongly favor betting, obviously intending to get it in when raised. We might not be ahead of their raising range, but we don't need to be. When we bet and they both fold, we deny their equity, which is a great result. Also, we certainly get action from weaker hands. AK+fd, AK+ld any KK and so on. BTW I don't think there is a huge difference in betting $45 or $55, and I certainly wouldn't call 80% pot bet a small bet.

So I think flop was wp by Hero, turn very easy fold as pointed out by everyone already.

What would be confusing. The statement was in the context of saying that there are only 3 cards you really want to see, while a heart does give you a draw. In other words, a backdoor draw. Surely you've heard of it. Backdoor draws for half the pot are not millionaire makers.

There are not really 3 cards Hero wants to see. Also, if you mean a backdoor draw, just say a backdoor draw.

Again, if you want to improve, run some sims and stop overthinking. If you are planning to have a meaningful response to this, try to assemble it together in less than three weeks.