Recent hand I played on ignition where I got quartered with a straight to 5 in a multiway pot, looking for some advice.

$0.02/0.05
Hero-BU $4.88- KcJc2cAd

Preflop
CU- Raise to $0.17
BU- Call
BB- Call

Flop- $0.53
5d4d3h

CU- Pot ($0.53)
BU- Repot to $2.12
BB- Shove to $4.83
CU- Call
BU- Call

CU shows Ah5h3d2h
BB shows Tc6c6h7c

Turn Jd
River Ks

Is my line here too aggressive? I didn't have a very good read of anyone, but my guess was that the CU was mostly a NL player as he never limped and was always raising, even with some middling hands like QQxx, which seems like a stereotype NL player to me. I feel lost in these hands where I have the straight to 5, so any help would be appreciated

Here is the odds after the flop, this might be helpful:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

658,008 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
KcJc2cAd	36.16%	157,781	233,433	3,789	0	164,297
Tc6c6h7c	30.64%	108,332	279,434	204	16,496	0
Ah5h3d2h	33.21%	97,375	141,148	3,993	170,783	164,297

There is something wrong with your simulation. What are the ways AKJ2 (no fd, no bdfd) scoops 67x and A235 on 345? According to your simulation, that happens nearly 25% of the time, when I think the correct number is 0%.

Honestly I saw this calculator online, didn't realize it was this off.

Oh I use propokertools a lot and it is working correctly. So I suspect the issue is an error in the input.

You forgot to put the flop cards into the sim. You are locked in to a 1/4.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

666 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 345

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
KcJc2cAd	25.00%	0	0	0	0	666
Tc6c6h7c	37.76%	0	500	6	0	0
Ah5h3d2h	37.24%	0	160	6	0	666

Right, thanks cfreaks.

On to the hand: I'd be mainly looking to 3-bet this hand BTN vs CO, but no big deal. On the flop when potted into, you are in a tough spot. Zero re-draws, dry nut low (which obv also is 3rd nut high). I don't think folding 3-way as a default can be horrible in such spots.

I think BB's play is simply bad (both pre and on the flop) and he's lucky he doesn't need to dodge a diamond for a split. I'm not a big fan of CO's sizing, as it's a rather static board even with a fd (nut low will always be A-5) so hands don't need that much protection and it's tough to bluff with big sizings against two opponents, given that it's not a board you can block nuts on and all players have quite a lot of A2-hands.

Yep thanks.
Thank you!
Thank you for this analysis. I never would have thought to fold in this situation, so thank you for pointing that out. Folding nut lo is tough but yeah I see how that makes sense. I repotted there not really expecting the BB to call, but when he reraises I already felt pot committed. I was shocked when he showed his hand but I doubt that I'm losing there very often.

I think the lower the limit, the harder people like to push bare nut low (because they will get action from 2nd nut low and even weaker). So I don't think always stacking off with A2 here can be that bad, but I'd still recommend folding A2 with zero backup. This means that you never fold when you have a pair either in hand or on board (can make bd boat) or when you have a backdoor flush draw. Obviously never fold a flush draw, two pair or a gut-shot to a bigger straight. So you'd be folding a rather small part of your A2-hands anyway.

Note also that this is very much connected to SPR (stack to pot ratio). Here you have roughly 9 times the pot left on the flop, which is the reason I'm willing to consider folding some A2-hands. With SPR say 4 just rip it in.

easy fold on flop with no redraws. I just call or check a flopped wheel with nothing else. in Pot limit ur going to cost yourself a lot of money jamming that... What can call Pot pot on that board? A2 with 2 pr, with a set, with a flush draw, A26, A267. All hands that call you crush you.

Ok that makes a lot of sense, thank you for pointing out the SPR. I'm newer to O8 so I think I overplay some of these "monster" hands

Yep, looking over this hand I should have called. I haven't played too much and overplayed what I thought was a really good hand.

Think this is a good post, and agree hero can reasonably consider folding flop. Especially because hero has the ace of diamonds - the risk of being exploited are quite low.

Your line is too aggressive, you should only be pushing when you have an excellent hand or draw both ways or scoop potential.

Your best high is a 5 high straight. Any 26 or 67 has you beat now for high, there are flush/str8 flush draws and boat/quad draws for high.

Wait and see on betting on turn/river before getting aggressive.

With 3 players still in, you are lucky you did not get 1/6th.

This is just one of those unfortunate situations where you kind of have to be a little conservative. CU's line totally feels like it includes lots of A2's, and (obviously) BB can be defending super wide preflop. I don't necessarily give him 67 in his range, but it's certainly possible. Getting quartered in this spot is one of those things that's going to happen sometiems... But you can easily make a case for taking a strong hand like AKJ2 and putting in the 3rd bet preflop.

Raising here is really bad, for several reasons already pointed out, but also in general with a nut low you want to keep as many people in the hand as possible. Raising simply makes no sense because if you're somehow actually ahead, you'll drive out the BB, and if you're not, then you're just shoveling in bad money.

It might have gone down this way anyway if you had just called (i.e. you got quartered on your stack by simply calling down without raising), but that is why some people are suggesting folding, which as pointed out is not that bad. Generally at the penny stakes I will call down, but this is more of a roughly break even play, not a huge money maker. I just do it because you will sometimes quarter the other guys. Not talking about this exact scenario, just in general with the nut low.

I think what you're saying is that once you have the nut low with the wheel, you can never lose it. Which is true so you don't need protection in that sense, but you can always use a little protection from someone else hitting a card to give them a wheel.

As for bluffing, it's tough to bluff in general in hi lo, so usually what we "bluff" is a one way hand that is bluffing as a 2 way hand to get people to fold. If anyone has anything in this hand, it's probably not going to work.

Probably played bad by everyone. Obviously BB call preflop is horrendous, but if he thinks you guys are playing lows it's not bad postflop - he is after all getting his money in good against the actual hands. But let's put a flush draw out there which is what he's going to run into a lot with this much action. Let's change your hand to something like Ad3c7dKc. Well now his equity drops from 37% to 22%. Note that this doesn't really help you at all, but it helps CU immensely, at the BB's expense. But of course if anyone had any diamonds at all it still crushes BB. So he's only OK in hindsight. In fact, everybody sticking money in on this hand is exactly how the pros make money at hi lo.

Yes, nearly all nutty hands benefit somewhat from protection, but that is not a reason to protect with all of them.
In theory, if you can't bluff you also can't bet or raise for value. I understand that this is not the way small stakes PLO8 plays.

u have wheel with no redraws? fold flop.

Yeah, but you're just increasing your variance basically for no good reason. Even bad players can have A2, and there's not much sense in creating high variance situations and getting into bad habits. There's little if any exploit here against low stakes donks, and presumably we're desiring to play higher.

If you read my answer in full, you realize that I think this is a fold. I don't think it's that bad to not fold, but it's not important. I think we agree that the "exploit" in general is to wait for good hands in low stakes games.