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Old 05-14-2017, 03:16 PM   #101
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Phatlat is a grade A douchebag. I imagine he's as much of a douche irl as he is online. Such a horrid nit also.
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Old 05-14-2017, 03:20 PM   #102
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Just remember JJ Nuros has it every single mthafkin time. I **** you not. Or if he doesn't he will have.
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Old 05-14-2017, 04:12 PM   #103
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Conclusion of NLO8 H should be good. Tables include Juicy vs. AngryJuice, Hero vs. isildur, and bokkie vs. bedias.
NLO8 M has bokkie vs. Shtopol, both top 4 in chips.
The tables get redrawn at the start of Day 2. So they will change.
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Sorry for the hijack even

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You should have just stopped here.
Really. I wasn't even defending him. I just told you to stop. Nothing to do with with lack of sympathy/empathy for Americans not being able to play on Stars (which I do have), I wasn't even involved in that discussion. But because it just looked awful on you, was unnecessary and was cluttering/tarding up this thread.
Instead, you somehow managed to go the opposite way and write out even more unnecessary stuff. ****ing genius, well done.
I'll say it again: Just s t o p.
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:01 PM   #104
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Just remember JJ Nuros has it every single mthafkin time. I **** you not. Or if he doesn't he will have.
He did have it (double suited aces with 4 T) but ran into a Fin on a mission

Speaking of Fins, AJ has been quiet - quietly amassing the chip lead

And of other Scandinavians ... somebody please confirm this is unspeakably horrible play by Isildur.......


    Poker Stars, $1,000 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 250 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37725466

    brianm15 (CO): 170,750 (85.4 bb)
    Antonio7 (BTN): 224,095 (112 bb)
    robc1978 (SB): 83,405 (41.7 bb)
    Isildur1 (BB): 50,499 (25.2 bb)
    Juicy_J_93 (MP1): 112,631 (56.3 bb)
    CHUFTY (MP2): 217,593 (108.8 bb)
    blanconegro (MP3): 138,111 (69.1 bb)

    Preflop:
    4 folds, Antonio7 raises to 6,000, robc1978 folds, Isildur1 calls 4,000

    Flop: (14,750) J Q 4 (2 players)
    Isildur1 checks, Antonio7 bets 7,375, Isildur1 calls 7,375

    Turn: (29,500) A (2 players)
    Isildur1 checks, Antonio7 bets 29,500, Isildur1 raises to 36,874 and is all-in, Antonio7 calls 7,374

    River: (103,248) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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    Old 05-14-2017, 07:44 PM   #105
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    Seems like the worst turn card for Antonio to bet especially with opponent/stack size. I would play hand the same as isildur.

    GL to thread regs in day 2!
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    Old 05-14-2017, 08:13 PM   #106
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    I would play hand the same as isildur.
    not a fan

    edit: Mr Longhit entered FT of NLO8 M as short stack... solid player

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    Old 05-14-2017, 09:01 PM   #107
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    You should have just stopped here.
    Really. I wasn't even defending him. I just told you to stop. Nothing to do with with lack of sympathy/empathy for Americans not being able to play on Stars (which I do have), I wasn't even involved in that discussion. But because it just looked awful on you, was unnecessary and was cluttering/tarding up this thread.
    Instead, you somehow managed to go the opposite way and write out even more unnecessary stuff. ****ing genius, well done.
    I'll say it again: Just s t o p.
    The guy has been posting lame bs after many of my posts here for quite a long time, I haven't once seen you say to him just stop. Really you was defending him or at the very least have a strong bias, and then you double down on it with this lol. I already apologized for cluttering it up, but enough is enough with that troll.

    Idk why quantum isn't allowed here if amok still is, I suppose amok is just more subtle about what he does.
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    Old 05-14-2017, 09:27 PM   #108
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    Seems like the worst turn card for Antonio to bet especially with opponent/stack size. I would play hand the same as isildur.

    GL to thread regs in day 2!
    You would play the hand the same as Isildur? LOL

    How the hand should be played is .... FOLD pre, FOLD flop. The guy is effectively chasing a gutshot with a short stack after 2 days play

    The turn action is woeful and he ends up chopping with 6 8 in his low hand. It's unspeakably bad on all streets
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    Old 05-14-2017, 09:32 PM   #109
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    As for the 2+2 posters who made day 2, well, my mate Juicy was the only one who bust and can have no regrets. I'll be kind to the other 3 and say they chose aggressive plays, in it to win it
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    Old 05-15-2017, 08:57 AM   #110
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    That name brings me back.
    Well done Juice!
    We used to play the same daily O8 MTTs together back then ? (before black friday) If so, what was your screen name ? do you remember HumansPrey, come2dadddyyy, Edward Chopper and such ? Good old times


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    I want what Lotus is smoking plsssss

    So ULDuffer gets 2nd in the 1k and Pokinstar wins 2k prog. You gotta be all skill to win these things obv.
    Not too sure why you would congratulate me on the tables only to say stuff like that afterwards (or before, whichever happened 1st) ... I mean i know you didn't like me back then and were pretty jelly already posting articles etc, but I thought that time was finally gone ?!


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    Congrats Juice ........ 2nd is nice result

    You had very bad running when it mattered the most, the A5T flop vs 2 3 5 8 was not fun I'm sure. It seems obvious Pokin should not call there. You could easily have a pair and same LD leaving him dead to all but 1/4
    Yeah gratz again Juicy and i have to admit, I was a bit embarassed after that hand.. really felt like you didn't "deserve" that river!
    But like you said it Canada beat Russia that tourney



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    Who are you talking about the chipleader changes every few minutes?

    If you are talking about PokinStaR I have seen him make 5 horrible plays for stacks in the high event already and it is still early. Not to say he has lost he keeps winning it's unreal

    If it is a teaching thing how can you teach that? Just shove when behind and win 100%? Yea sure easy game

    Quantum, i have a different style than you, different than the one you think is "proper" or "adequate/correct". If you find a play horrible, it's probably because you are trying to make sense of it using your own playbook/theory.

    What really matters in super deep stack tournaments with slow structures (in my opinion), is mainly postflop play and equity when stacking off (esp in PL since you cant overbet the pot)

    I mean for all i care i could be holding any 4, as long as i'm a favorite when stacking off, i won't care if my cards are below average trash that should be folded pre (like the JJ44 i won a stack with). Also i do make a lot of mistakes everyday even tho i've been playing for ages now (since I try to constantly adapt), but i prob make less mistakes than you which could explain the better results.

    Let's be real here.. You come to my stream, enjoy the free entertainement, the action, you even get hand analysis and then you come back here and badmouth some plays when i wasn't even in the topic of discussion (never was CL of that 1k, best position was 2nd) like dude come on, i don't like 2 faced people... Next time, just play the 2k yourself so we can all circle jerk ?!
    You know like the saying: Put your money where your mouth is -_-'


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    Not as soft as for example cash games on WPN, but yeah if someone like Pokinstar wins one you know it's really a donkfest.
    You couldn't sound more clueless... Tournament was deep stacked, slow structure and lasted like 17 hours or wtv. I was CL of Day 2 for the majority of the time and the field was filled with competent players. I mean, in general, when people don't understand certain things, they tend to naturally blame external factors.

    Seems legit right !?
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    Old 05-15-2017, 09:28 AM   #111
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    We used to play the same daily O8 MTTs together back then ? (before black friday) If so, what was your screen name ? do you remember HumansPrey, come2dadddyyy, Edward Chopper and such ? Good old times
    Krusty here, not sure if you remember me. Yeah, pre-BF, I mostly played 11R, 33NL, 22PL, and the micros.
    I don't remember Edward Chopper. Do you remember AyersRule, DenYoungGun, JoeMamasNuts, et al?
    Congrats on the SCOOP win!
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    Old 05-15-2017, 09:39 AM   #112
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    Seems legit right !?
    It certainly was a legit win, don't get me wrong. I accept the possibility that you were the best player.

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    in general, when people don't understand certain things, they tend to naturally blame external factors.
    Definitely so. Also, when people win big, they tend to forget what a huge role variance plays.
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    Old 05-15-2017, 10:57 AM   #113
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    Not too sure why you would congratulate me on the tables only to say stuff like that afterwards (or before, whichever happened 1st) ... I mean i know you didn't like me back then and were pretty jelly already posting articles etc, but I thought that time was finally gone ?!



    I guess I will respond ha. I didn't congratulate you at the tables although I would have if I had seen you. Had no idea you read this forum as don't think you have ever posted. I did, however say gl to you and Juicy if you check an earlier post and i'm happy to congratulate you as you seem a nice guy and i'd far rather see you win than a good few other guys ha

    It doesn't mean i think you played well though and I only made a 1 line remark and not even only at you. This is a strat forum and a lot of crap is said about this and that player or w/e.

    I made a flippant cpl of posts as it is a bit frustrating seeing people I consider not to play technically well. I think you can play ok sometimes but you butcher a lot of hands and no doubt you did in the FT as already been said by a cpl of posters. I think you are taking things to heart too much though. You won 70k so do you care if a few of us think you played badly? I ****in for sure wouldn't ha.

    Also seeing the guy that accidently regged the 1k and knew nothing about how to play bink it was more extreme obv.

    And yes I am jelly I having not ran good enough to win any O8 coop in many years versus fields that I am so +ev in. Human nature I guess.

    I'm just hoping the other guy who I think is way worse but seems to luckbox consistently doesn't join up lol.
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    Old 05-15-2017, 11:04 AM   #114
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    The price of success i'm afraid....I only wish I had that problem. People could tear apart my hands till kingdom come if I were allowed to run good in a few coop events!
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    Old 05-15-2017, 11:20 AM   #115
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    Going to play this FL Holdem scoop. I hope I win and get slated from the FLH section for all my sub optimal players

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    Old 05-15-2017, 11:38 AM   #116
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    Quantum, i have a different style than you, different than the one you think is "proper" or "adequate/correct". If you find a play horrible, it's probably because you are trying to make sense of it using your own playbook/theory .....

    Also i do make a lot of mistakes everyday even tho i've been playing for ages now (since I try to constantly adapt), but i prob make less mistakes than you which could explain the better results.....

    Let's be real here.. You come to my stream, enjoy the free entertainement, the action, you even get hand analysis and then you come back here and badmouth some plays when i wasn't even in the topic of discussion (never was CL of that 1k, best position was 2nd) like dude come on, i don't like 2 faced people... Next time, just play the 2k yourself so we can all circle jerk ?!
    You know like the saying: Put your money where your mouth is -_-'
    Until Billy outed me yesterday I was more like 2 people than 2 faced but yes I accept that criticism. Je suis desole, mon ami.

    I watch your twitch because I think you are a nice guy and you entertain me with your personality. Are you really shocked I am critical of some of your plays? I said worse to you "face to face" at the tables at least 10 times, c'est vrai, non? Like you said all poker players make mistakes regularly. Your Twitch is not a good place for me to be critical because I don't wanna be an *******, distract you or try to tilt you. If anything I have been supportive

    What you don't realise about me is that I am critical of everybody, including myself and especially winning O8 regs. Ask Billy, juicy, angryjuice, amok*, winningstek, broken_jia, Zapa, bokkie87, Krusty, Isildur, this entire thread even Hero Value the WSOP champ - RunGodLike, who committed poker suicide in the $1K NLO8 yesterday, still can't believe he took the line he did and it was WAY worse than anything I've ever seen you do. Geez you should see what I say about Beeethoven87, uhhmee, biggest winners in certain games in the history of stars. You are in good company as literally you are not an O8 player until you have been called a fish by me on 2+2.

    With regards results and $2K buy-ins, I now work for a living man. I can't win a satellite and $2K for a single MTT is too much of a gamble for me, I don't mind admitting that. My overall results aren't great but they're not bad. What matters most to me is having low variance and if you look at my worm I am a very consistent winner. I don't have the big MTT wins like you but I can beat any game in any format, not just O8 MTT. If you say my results are bad compared to yours because I make more mistakes, I'm sorry, I don't think that is true.

    Anyway when I say "horrible plays" I mean getting in with < 50% equity and scooping or taking 3/4 or even just not busting! That to me is "horrible" because it's something I can't seem to manage, especially in high stakes. I am so jealous of you and others who are given opportunities to win bigger MTTs. I was in the SM $10M a couple of weeks back. I got dealt like 12 big pairs and lost all 12 times to underpairs, 2 pairs, straights, flushes, trips.

    But you can call and peel runner runner to be invincible on turn, scoop on river, for a huge amount of money, like $20K + just in the HU vs juicy? Then next hand you scooped him again (A29Kds vs A4QK or something). Sure you had the best hand pre (52/48) and played it fine but the scoop expectation is only 28%. So yes variance undeniably plays a huge part in winning MTTs and overall results.
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    Old 05-15-2017, 11:58 AM   #117
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    Had know idea that Pokinstar twitches ha. I did wonder what he meant by his stream doh

    Do we have a link to this?
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    Old 05-15-2017, 11:59 AM   #118
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    PokinStaR - politics question if you feel like answering. Do you consider yourself:-

    1) French
    2) French-Canadian
    3) Canadian
    4) Other?
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    Old 05-15-2017, 12:08 PM   #119
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    I really don't get this twitching malarkey. Surely the money they can make in advertsig is tiny no?
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    Old 05-15-2017, 12:27 PM   #120
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    I really don't get this twitching malarkey. Surely the money they can make in advertsig is tiny no?
    https://www.twitch.tv/pokinstar

    This is the future mate. If you can develop yourself as an online personality you can make millions. Takes time and a lot of hard work though
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    Old 05-15-2017, 01:29 PM   #121
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    https://www.twitch.tv/pokinstar

    This is the future mate. If you can develop yourself as an online personality you can make millions. Takes time and a lot of hard work though
    I'm still on the first hand wondering if Pokinstar is serious after he tanks 40 seconds deciding on calling a 40 bb shove from bb with 667j.

    Says after that it was prolly a bad fold.
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    Old 05-15-2017, 03:04 PM   #122
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    You would play the hand the same as Isildur? LOL

    How the hand should be played is .... FOLD pre, FOLD flop. The guy is effectively chasing a gutshot with a short stack after 2 days play

    The turn action is woeful and he ends up chopping with 6 8 in his low hand. It's unspeakably bad on all streets
    I think you may want to take a look at the flop again. You would fold a double gutter with weak backdoor flush draw for half PSB on the flop? The only thing that makes this tricky is the effective stacks. Do you just​ fold every draw that is not nut nut in a HU pot?

    Absolutely not unspeakably horrible.

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    I think you may want to take a look at the flop again. You would fold a double gutter with weak backdoor flush draw for half PSB on the flop? The only thing that makes this tricky is the effective stacks. Do you just​ fold every draw that is not nut nut in a HU pot?

    Absolutely not unspeakably horrible.
    This is not "HU" this is 7-handed and basic math says whoever opens has top 15% minimum. Even against 15% range A 6 8 T is 45/55 but more likely Isildur is 40/60. Against the actual hand he was roughly 43/57

    Yes I would fold the flop but I would rarely have that decision because I fold there pre the majority of the time. I was railing the table for a while and people generally weren't opening - even larger stacks on the button - without playable hands. I think you know A 6 8 T middle suit is a sack of **** AND he is OOP

    Maybe you can argue call pre isn't so bad because the implied odds are high - if you hit there's a good chance the big stack can't or won't fold whatever hand he raised with. Maybe make similar argument on flop. Assuming standard tightish opening range, what does Isildur think he is ahead of on the turn though? There are very few hands.

    No way is Isildur even in the top 100 O8 players but a few of the top 100 were deep in that MTT. None of them made similar plays to him and certainly JoaoMathias or Bedias or Nuro wouldn't dream of it. He is calling here every time too not trying to be creative and he had zero FE when he shoved turn. If he was creating the action and getting in first it wouldn't be terrible but as played it is unspeakably bad. This is slow blind 2 day stuff not Omania $22
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    But like you said it Canada beat Russia that tourney
    Congrats on your win PokinStaR!

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    Old 05-15-2017, 03:41 PM   #125
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    This is not "HU" this is 7-handed and basic math says whoever opens has top 15% minimum. Even against 15% range A 6 8 T is 45/55 but more likely Isildur is 40/60. Against the actual hand he was roughly 43/57

    Yes I would fold the flop but I would rarely have that decision because I fold there pre the majority of the time. I was railing the table for a while and people generally weren't opening - even larger stacks on the button - without playable hands. I think you know A 6 8 T middle suit is a sack of **** AND he is OOP

    Maybe you can argue call pre isn't so bad because the implied odds are high - if you hit there's a good chance the big stack can't or won't fold whatever hand he raised with. Maybe make similar argument on flop. Assuming standard tightish opening range, what does Isildur think he is ahead of on the turn though? There are very few hands.

    No way is Isildur even in the top 100 O8 players but a few of the top 100 were deep in that MTT. None of them made similar plays to him and certainly JoaoMathias or Bedias or Nuro wouldn't dream of it. He is calling here every time too not trying to be creative and he had zero FE when he shoved turn. If he was creating the action and getting in first it wouldn't be terrible but as played it is unspeakably bad. This is slow blind 2 day stuff not Omania $22
    Btn versus BB when SB folds is not 7 handed.

    I just read that you might be Quantum. This makes a lot of sense. We miss your trolling magic.
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