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Originally Posted by the_spike
It's better in terms of playability! Yes, in Holdem Q2o is better than JTs by 51% to 49% if you run them hot/cold. You honestly think Q2o is a "better" hand than JTs??
What is this nonsense? Plug it in right. Pit A288 against A2xx and you get 51% for A288. So it's better hot/cold but again that's not really the point. The point is the playability and how you win money with it. Clearly A288 is a monster when you flop a set of 8s usually, because you're already a third to a low, or halfway to a nut low draw.
Running two hands against each other hot and cold is a pretty terrible way to determine which hand is better in O8. But since you insist:
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
A299 66.50% 235,774 433,569 33,817 0 216,410
A288 33.50% 60,099 132,614 33,817 85,998 216,410
Hands with pairs tend to run better head-up hot and cold than hands without pairs, the higher the pair, the better. That's why A288 is a slight favorite over A2xx (and an enormous underdog to A299).
But again, that's a silly way to look at equities. The much better way, which I was doing in my last post, is to run both hands against the sort of hand ranges they will likely be up against.
But any way you do it, A299 is better than A288.
Even, why you flop a set, A299 is much better than A288!
board: 9
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
A299 58.53% 273,082 365,076 1,778 58,919 72,723
10% 14.89% 43,589 65,631 5,398 40,517 67,149
30% 13.64% 45,267 74,894 5,852 32,933 28,358
100% 12.94% 49,205 85,756 4,639 17,142 6,695
board: 8
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
A288 55.31% 186,488 360,671 1,762 112,743 143,571
10% 17.78% 28,891 64,573 5,116 63,267 129,566
30% 14.61% 29,145 75,453 5,847 50,815 54,253
100% 12.30% 29,668 90,788 4,652 22,859 11,535
It is also ranked much better in all situations:
Rankings for A299
Ranking Description Average Best Worst
10H 10-handed iterative (default) 10.75 5.0 19.0
3H 3-handed iterative 13.25 6.0 24.0
6H 6-handed iterative 11.13 5.0 20.0
VR vs. random hand 15.13 6.0 26.0
Rankings for A288
Ranking Description Average Best Worst
10H 10-handed iterative (default) 16.5 7.0 30.0
3H 3-handed iterative 16.75 7.0 29.0
6H 6-handed iterative 16.38 7.0 28.0
VR vs. random hand 16.5 6.0 28.0
FWIW, A2xx ranks better than both on average:
Rankings for A2
Ranking Description Average Best Worst
10H 10-handed iterative (default) 8.19 1.0 92.0
3H 3-handed iterative 11.82 1.0 98.0
6H 6-handed iterative 8.98 1.0 95.0
VR vs. random hand 14.99 1.0 99.0
So I'm still trying to think of a situation in which A288 is better, or even "more playable". The only spot I can think of is that A288 has emergency low value in a short-handed pot against tight ranges when everyone's low get counterfeit. But in the more typical situation when 28 is not likely to win the low, A299 is even a much better low hand because it doesn't block its own low outs.