Quote:
Originally Posted by the_spike
How you can ignore the basic facts I presented is beyond me. If you can't see that an 8 "plays with it" then there isn't much more I can say. You do realize what the "8" in O/8 means, right? If you don't like flopping top set and nut low or nut low draw, then I don't know why you even bother playing.
Plug in A288 vs. some various hands, and then A299 vs. the same hands, and see which one does better. A288 has better equity in general. I'm sure that the 8 as an emergency low card has a little something to do with that as well.
Heads-up v. Random Hand:
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
a288 55.66% 246,277 304,807 2,829 214,757 14,624
100% 44.34% 179,806 292,364 2,829 77,596 14,624
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
a299 56.06% 243,098 317,465 3,006 185,484 15,216
100% 43.94% 170,909 279,529 3,006 104,970 15,216
Heads-up v. Premium Hand:
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
a288 47.12% 178,366 262,493 10,311 130,094 83,158
10% 52.88% 219,022 327,196 10,311 84,495 83,158
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
a299 47.32% 178,504 266,689 10,666 111,754 96,980
10% 52.68% 211,134 322,645 10,666 100,816 96,980
Multiway pot:
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
a288 25.28% 72,888 126,493 5,643 75,284 96,217
10% 28.43% 98,581 152,427 15,008 52,066 89,435
30% 24.24% 85,611 146,779 13,115 42,951 40,788
100% 22.05% 86,636 154,481 6,849 19,151 9,091
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
a299 28.69% 86,957 131,852 5,699 83,879 112,716
10% 28.04% 82,604 151,771 14,809 59,388 104,641
30% 23.31% 68,582 146,063 12,852 48,791 45,756
100% 19.96% 61,182 150,590 7,044 23,744 10,458
So A299 is very slightly better than A288 heads-up, but much better multiway. I can't find a case where A288 is clearly the better hand.
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_spike
And this is just flat out wrong. Evidence?
Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
a2 27.54% 67,894 110,242 18,398 102,970 115,742
10% 26.89% 83,890 145,325 19,992 42,010 101,050
30% 23.36% 75,917 148,217 16,400 33,603 44,288
100% 22.21% 80,176 165,380 8,738 14,174 9,089
Note the random A2 is much better than A288, but somewhat worse than A299.