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10-30-2017 , 07:03 PM

Galfondstyle

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Hey Guys,
I started playing regularly Omaha8 this year and still learning it.
I'd like to have your opinion about the difference between these two games.
My Opinion is: NLO8 is more gambling, PLO8 requires more skills.
NLO8 gives weak players advantages against strong players.
They have the chance to avoid decisions post flop on multiple streets and avoid mistakes by shoving preflop and having almost always a decent equity against other hands.
Another question: Why are there more NLO8 than PLO8 games and tourneys on Pokerstars?
I'd really like to read your opinions about this.

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10-31-2017 , 05:37 AM

ZockenRobot

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Why more NL than PL? Tournaments I think it is awkward playing with <10BB in PLO8 since you can't jam pre. Cash games I have no idea why so much NL.

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10-31-2017 , 02:18 PM

amok

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Originally Posted by Galfondstyle

NLO8 gives weak players advantages against strong players.

Not sure if I understand what this sentence means, but if you mean that skill difference is smaller in NL than in PL, I'm not sure if that is correct. Only the possibility of killing action pre-flop advocates that. I think the possibility of overbetting the pot is good for the stronger players.

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Originally Posted by Galfondstyle

They have the chance to avoid decisions post flop on multiple streets and avoid mistakes by shoving preflop and having almost always a decent equity against other hands.

Yes, thus making understanding pre-flop equities a more important skill in NLO8. Shoving pre-flop can be a mistake, too.

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Originally Posted by Galfondstyle

Another question: Why are there more NLO8 than PLO8 games and tourneys on Pokerstars?

Cash, because people play them more? I don't know what kind of an answer you were expecting.

I think NLO8 is a sligthly better tournament game than PL, although the difference is small.

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10-31-2017 , 03:54 PM

tiltmonster1

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Also have a couple of questions about NLO8, which personally find a lot fun.

On Stars it seems to run regularly up to $0.50/$1. If it does run any higher it's usually at CAP.

Why is it unpopular at full stack at mid to high stakes?

Has it ever run regularly on Stars at say $5/$10+?

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11-03-2017 , 12:02 AM

Octavian_C

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PLO8> NLO8

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11-03-2017 , 01:51 AM

amok

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Originally Posted by tiltmonster1

People just like NL CAP and PL 5-card versions more, for whatever reason.

There are no + 5/10 NL (non-cap) tables on stars.

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11-03-2017 , 04:52 AM

billygstar

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Weak/bad regs prefer nlo8 for sure. The skill required to be able to play flops on multi streets is much greater than knowing the few % diff in pre flop equities and stealing hands PF.

Yes, there is a benefit to being able to overbet on streets and a strong player can defo have an advantage but it also suits the weak/bad player to be able to shove on flops that wont be a huge mistake too often within reason.

Putting it another way if I feel as though I have a skill advantage over another player or table then given the choice I`d prefer the game to be PL and be playing pots on multiple streets.

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11-03-2017 , 05:05 PM

Galfondstyle

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Originally Posted by amok

People just like NL CAP and PL 5-card versions more, for whatever reason.

There are no + 5/10 NL (non-cap) tables on stars.

This Cap Game 0,50 1 where you Can play maximum 20 BBs per Hand is in my opinion the most stupid Poker game I have ever played.
This game gives weak players even more protection from paying for their mistakes, than normal NLO8 does.
I saw lately some fishes who used to play NLO8 cash Game, they play now only this Cap Game, because is better for people who have no clue.

PLO5card Hi Low is OK, even if I prefer the classical with 4 Cards.

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11-04-2017 , 02:20 AM

amok

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Originally Posted by Galfondstyle

Yes, it is a stupid game (and a rake trap), but that doesn't mean that the game isn't beatable. The correct strategy is not exactly rocket science either, so I gladly play that stupid game against some people.

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11-11-2017 , 05:27 PM

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Ray Zee

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learn pl as the no limit o/8 cant last for long as its as said a rake trap and once the bad players learn to push all the time the edge might be too small to beat the rake.

plus it will never become a game for higher stakes so not worth wasting time getting good at a game with no future. as that limits your moving up quickly.

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11-12-2017 , 02:04 AM

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pucmo

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There are sometimes some juicy reasonable level micro nlo8 games but I am not smart (analytical) enough (too lazy) to figure out the best way to play it, and I get annoyed preflop.

I added plo8 (or 8plo as I call it, it not being plo 8) as an additional form (but not as much as nlh) after getting good or so at plo, and I looked through one plo8 book, and although I didn't read it, things seemed to click fast, as I only needed mostly 100 hours of plo8 play to feel comfortable in easy games.

Pushing online? Maybe in nlh tourneys; I try to leave the pushing in online cash games to others, although I am the one doing it more often, but I am stupid and trying.

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11-14-2017 , 09:46 AM

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the_spike

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

learn pl as the no limit o/8 cant last for long

Not saying that you're necessarily wrong, but I will note that Malmuth has also stated that NL Holdem couldn't last because the weak players would lose all their money to the better players too quickly. (i.e. misunderstanding the fundamental reason that people gamble to begin with.)

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11-14-2017 , 10:31 PM

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Ray Zee

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it wouldnt have except that poker exploded after that and money flowed like water from new players and the internet. and also they put caps on the buyins.

now its reverting back to smaller and smaller games with less money on the table.

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11-14-2017 , 10:33 PM

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amok

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Ray Zee is wrong.

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11-14-2017 , 10:59 PM

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Ray Zee

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about what, that no limit o/8 isnt going to last?

or that no limit holdem games are getting smaller in size.

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11-15-2017 , 10:29 AM

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Galfondstyle

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Originally Posted by billygstar

Agree 100%

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11-15-2017 , 03:04 PM

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amok

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

about what, that no limit o/8 isnt going to last?

Yes. I do not know if you were referring to live or online games, but I'm assuming the former. As a game, PLO8 and NLO8 are very similar with each other at 100bb deep. Maybe if you can buy in 1000bb deep weak players go broke very quickly.

Also note that people weren't saying NLO8 is a rake trap, but that 20bb cap NLO8 is.

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11-15-2017 , 11:31 PM

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Ray Zee

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kind of what i was referring to. but either way it is tough for it to last, as it takes less playing skill so becomes boring for most and most players at some point find its more of a crap shoot and less fun to play as you get shut out of playing all the time.

years back they tried spreading seven stud low(razz) no limit. well as soon as someone realized they had an even gamble or had any edge they just pushed and shut out the field or got a headup call for a race.

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11-19-2017 , 11:25 AM

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the_spike

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

but either way it is tough for it to last, as it takes less playing skill so becomes boring for most

You mean kind of like roulette?

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11-24-2017 , 01:47 AM

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WINNINGSTEK

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Prefer NL when it comes to cash myself. Much more action. Beware of tilt though. Pissed away 8 BI shoving every hand in a super-tired idiot session.

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11-29-2017 , 10:38 AM

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Delbertt

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Prefer PL08 over NL08 but not enough MTT's in PL so dabble in both formats.

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12-08-2017 , 01:37 PM

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Galfondstyle

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Originally Posted by Delbertt

Prefer PL08 over NL08 but not enough MTT's in PL so dabble in both formats.

same for me.
I think Pokerstars makes more NLO8 tourneys than PLO8, because of more shoving, more players busting, more reentries/rebuys, more rake.
Some days like yesterday where I lose so many hands preflop and in most of them I was 55%-68% favourite, I think this game is only bingo shoving and promise myself I dont play NLO8 anymore... but there are not enough PLO8 MTTs and the next day I try it again...

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12-08-2017 , 03:31 PM

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Ray Zee

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and take into account the blinds you put in waiting for a 55% favorite edge and the rake taken out and the shove fest benefits who.

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12-08-2017 , 03:37 PM

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amok

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

and take into account the blinds you put in waiting for a 55% favorite edge and the rake taken out and the shove fest benefits who.

The one who plays better pre-flop. 55-45 edge is huge.

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12-08-2017 , 05:20 PM

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UnnaturalDisaster

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Ray please stop posting your clueless nonsense

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