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02-07-2019 , 12:11 AM
Any insight or strategy for a turbo PLO8 game? Usually runs 15 - 45 people, 5 min blinds, and 5 to 9 people pay out. Also, 6 levels of rebuy and entry.
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02-08-2019 , 03:23 PM
rebuy hand 1, thats automatic in a rebuy tourney. look for situations to dominate someone, because it is rebuy and rentry? (wait how can you be both???) people will be playing loose, dont. Look to dominate them, push hands that will 1/4 and freeroll, the will go in.
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02-10-2019 , 01:35 AM
Thanks for the reply. Couple of questions?
Are you ever folding pf early tournament with A2xx?
Are you limping ever and what range would that be?
What is an expected win rate for a turbo sng like these?
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02-10-2019 , 04:00 AM
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Are you ever folding pf early tournament with A2xx?
Yes, I'd fold weakest A2 UTG and even HJ, unless villains are very bad and willing to play big pots with say 2nd nut low, no high.
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Are you limping ever and what range would that be?
I don't have a limping strategy, but I think it's a decent option in a tournament. Hope you understand the issues that having a limping range creates, though again, weak opponents are unlikely to care about anything that you do.
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What is an expected win rate for a turbo sng like these?
Depends entirely on the skill gap between Hero and villains.
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02-10-2019 , 01:46 PM
absolutely folding some A2's. you have a raise and a call in front of you and you have a rainbow non connecting A2.... snap fold.

because its turbo, you cant be super patient, but you do need to pick spots. (most big tournaments are turbo in the $250-500 range). you want to raise a weak A2 on the button first in the pot, ok, very different than callign with it, with a raise and caller or 2 already in pot.
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02-10-2019 , 08:13 PM
Are effective stack pushes the same in PLO8 as in holdem?
I read small stack strategy is different for holdem and PLO8. I don't understand why the ICM would be different.
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02-11-2019 , 12:26 PM
For specifically what you are asking (Early Tournament) I wouldn't fold many A2 in a SRP for what it's worth myself.

Definitely, dropping plenty once it's 3bet, and later in the latter half of the tournament when we may need to adjust based on stacks and ICM pressure and such..
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02-11-2019 , 11:36 PM
Late stages how would you go about playing a2xx a3xx aaxx aa23s a4kk
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02-12-2019 , 03:12 AM
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Late stages how would you go about playing a2xx a3xx aaxx aa23s a4kk
You need to specify that question a lot more. Stack depth(s)? In the money or not? What position are we in? Is it folded to us or opened? What are the xx in for example A2xx?
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02-12-2019 , 08:22 PM
yep, basically what Amok said..

There's a lot of different Scenario's -- particularly since it's an MTT rather than Cash so aside from position, and player tendencies, we need to consider ours and others stack depths, ICM (are we in the money/close too it/pay jumps, etc), do we have initiative/RFI, etc?

This might be helpful (3 part Phil Galfond end game PLO8 Series)for some of those spots, although, as I mention in comments I'm still not positive why he chooses to limp flat w/AA68 -- I like the limp with the particular stack sizes and bubble pressure, but I'm virtually always reshoving here once we are raised. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmMysDuGCj8
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02-14-2019 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue Dwarf
Are effective stack pushes the same in PLO8 as in holdem?
I read small stack strategy is different for holdem and PLO8. I don't understand why the ICM would be different.
Most of your questions (even this one) are way too general/impossible to answer, but i can comment on the ICM difference. In holdem, 60% equity is basically a 40% chance to be eliminated. This is NOT the case in O8 because of all of the chopping, so you (and everyone else) will survive a much higher % of times all in.
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02-15-2019 , 03:15 AM
So if you have less fold equity how would this effect 20bb 10bb 5bb push strategies?
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02-19-2019 , 03:27 PM
Are we talking about PLO8 or NLO8 now Blue? You can't shove for 10bb, 20bb, etc in PLO8 so it's kind of a non-factor.
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02-19-2019 , 04:07 PM
As we get 5 and under BB though I would generally be applying max pressure/opening pot and letting it be known I am intending to play for all of my chips.

Really w/10 or higher, it's gonna vary a lot dependent upon stacks and if we are close to the money.. There's different situations where I may limp (particularly in earlier position, but not always) raise small (min or 2.2-2.5x bb) or Pot it depending on what I am trying to accomplish. Still w/under 10 we should be willing to commit with anything we are opening - so just keep that in mind when choosing a hand to open, if you are not willing to commit, might consider not opening or limping alternatively. Perhaps w/the exception of maybe folding to a repot when we open small from button or cutoff w/marginal holdings vs. perceived weak/fishy blinds (specifically tighter players in this case.)

Also, do we have a one-way hand (A27T) or a two way hand like AKJ2(DS).. Although Exploitable, when short, I'm generally putting max pressure with AAxx, or strong two way hands pre -potting w/intent to get it all in, while being more cautious w/one way hands, but again it's all situational.. The shorter we are, and more in position we are without anyone opening prior, the more we could pot and intend to get it in with okay one way hands like A2xx, A34x, AKKQ, or marginal two way hands like KKLL (LL = low-low), QQLL, A3TK (SS), etc.

The deeper we are, the less willing we should be to commit a lot of chips preflop without big two way hands. We should be working on our post-flop skills and exploits for these spots.

Last edited by akashra777; 02-19-2019 at 04:19 PM.
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02-27-2019 , 10:48 PM
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Also, do we have a one-way hand (A27T) or a two way hand like AKJ2(DS).. Although Exploitable, when short, I'm generally putting max pressure with AAxx, or strong two way hands pre -potting w/intent to get it all in, while being more cautious w/one way hands, but again it's all situational.. The shorter we are, and more in position we are without anyone opening prior, the more we could pot and intend to get it in with okay one way hands like A2xx, A34x, AKKQ, or marginal two way hands like KKLL (LL = low-low), QQLL, A3TK (SS), etc.

The deeper we are, the less willing we should be to commit a lot of chips preflop without big two way hands. We should be working on our post-flop skills and exploits for these spots.
How is Kkll or qqll a 2 way hand and a27t a 1 way hand?
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