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PLO8 25: Huge draw 120bb deep PLO8 25: Huge draw 120bb deep

08-01-2021 , 08:21 AM
    Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
    Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

    BTN: $10.96 (43.8 bb)
    SB: $46.83 (187.3 bb)
    BB: $19.78 (79.1 bb)
    UTG: $23.90 (95.6 bb)
    Hero (MP): $31.67 (126.7 bb)
    CO: $26.33 (105.3 bb)

    SB posts $0.10, BB posts $0.25

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 3 A 4 5
    UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.25, fold, UTG calls $1.00, Hero calls $1.00

    Flop: ($4.00, 3 players) Q 6 2
    SB bets $3.00, fold, Hero raises to $13.00, SB raises to $43.00, Hero calls $17.42 and is all-in

    Turn: ($64.84, 2 players) 7

    River: ($64.84, 2 players) J

    Players agreed to run it twice.

    Turn #2: ($64.84, 2 players) 8

    River #2: ($64.84, 2 players) T

    Results: $64.84 pot ($0.00 rake)
    Final Board: Q 6 2 7 J 8 T

    SB shows J 3 A A: (High: One Pair, Aces, Low: 7632A)
    Board #1 : (Pre 63%, Flop 42%, Turn 49%)
    (High: One Pair, Aces, Low: 8632A)
    Board #2 : (Pre 62%, Flop 41%, Turn 49%)

    Hero shows 3 A 4 5: (High: High Card, Ace, Low: 7632A)
    Board #1 : (Pre 37%, Flop 58%, Turn 51%)
    (High: High Card, Ace, Low: 8632A)
    Board #2 : (Pre 38%, Flop 59%, Turn 51%)

    SB wins $15.46


    I would obviously much prefer the Ad to be the Ac and I would probably just call if this was the case, mostly because I don't get into bad spots when I only hit my flush. Not sure if this makes sense ...

    Generally speaking, I tend to just pile it in in these spots and it probably can't be a big mistake most of the time, but would any of you play this differently and for what reasons?

    Thank you.

    Last edited by dingdongdonkey; 08-01-2021 at 08:35 AM.
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    08-01-2021 , 08:53 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dingdongdonkey
    I would obviously much prefer the Ad to be the Ac and I would probably just call if this was the case, mostly because I don't get into bad spots when I only hit my flush. Not sure if this makes sense ...

    Generally speaking, I tend to just pile it in in these spots and it probably can't be a big mistake most of the time, but would any of you play this differently and for what reasons?
    I would prefer flatting flop at this depth, because your equity is not brilliant when he shoves flop (all other draws dominate you!). Hand plays excellently as a call IP and it's hard for you to make mistakes on turns.

    If you had the nfd, pushing the flop makes a lot more sense as your equity improves a lot.
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    08-01-2021 , 08:56 AM
    Okay, thank you.

    So once I call flop, do I jam this specific turn (1st run out) or do I just call again because I may be up vs nut low plus any high?
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    08-01-2021 , 09:24 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dingdongdonkey
    Okay, thank you.

    So once I call flop, do I jam this specific turn (1st run out) or do I just call again because I may be up vs nut low plus any high?
    Against a reasonable villain, I'd flat turn. If you think what hands he can bet there it's not like your hand is doing insanely well, but there are plenty of good river cards.

    Against a check it's a bit more tricky, as I think you kind of need to bet it and can't fold to a raise.
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    08-02-2021 , 06:22 PM
    I'm getting it in all day every day. And if he goes for the call, which the higher stakes guys do out of position, there are cards that make you crush and him still lead into you. If he has the nut lo too, haha.. 3 quarters are as good as anything without the other quarter. LOL and if he has a4-a5 with and a pair you're getting through enough of the time with a bluff on the river. Not a bluff, but a full pot representation bet. And if had some weird draw, you're scooping with a bet as he folds. It's the perfect situation.
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    09-26-2021 , 10:17 AM
    I don't put that much in, you have no high and your "flush" problem and this hand are betting to much. You call not pot and when sb bets out on turn you fold .
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    09-29-2021 , 03:40 PM
    LOL this is crazy ****. Was this deep in a tournament against an aggro from Russia or Brazil? That always happens. You bait them and their moron stuff 3 quarter scoops huge pots. I don't even know if that's a raise there for AA3. Keeping those chips to gauge the turn/river is the long-term plan, even with a3. Dry a3 there plus aces in PLO HL is a pay off hand if there is nothing sooted. If you need to play the lo like the nuts on the flop, you're losing more than you're winning at the end of the month.
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    09-30-2021 , 05:34 PM
    58% on the flop well done.
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    09-30-2021 , 11:50 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by derjan
    58% on the flop well done.
    58% on the flop but that doesn't mean you want your chips to be allin on the flop.

    The ideal action for situations like this given the stack sizes (where your opponent has nut low draw also so has us scooped or quartered 100% of the time we don't make our draw) is to be able to go allin with as close to a pot size bet as we can on the river.

    After the his flop bet, and we call, the pot is $10 and we have $27 left. If it bricks the turn and river, we call ten and then fold and have $17 left. So we save $17 often, while we only risk not getting paid off when it comes one of the two 3s on the turn.
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