So here are 2 more PL50 hands. My play from preflop to turn may be debatable as well. But as played till the turn, would you consider betting pot or check raising (as both villain's bets doesn't look that strong) for value on the river? Or do you think those might be typical please-call-me-bets?


hand 1

9 players

Stacks:
BTN ($38.25)
Hero (BB) ($67.45)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is BB A 2 J J
UTG calls $0.50, 5 folds, BTN calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: 8 7 5 ($1.75, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, UTG folds

Turn: Q ($5.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

River: 4 ($15.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.85, Hero calls $7.85




hand 2

6 players

Stacks:
Hero (UTG+1) ($88.50)
BTN ($56.95)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 A 3 2 T
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25

Flop: 5 7 7 ($5.50, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $2.75, BB folds, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: 7 ($11, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: 8 ($11, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50

Hand 1 im reraising the flop and trying to get it all in there. I would probably lead out honestly.

Hand 2 is good as played.

1- pot flop allin turn, didnt dsee results yet

i guess 2 is fine yea i think im good with 2

These are cool examples.

Hand 1:

In a full ring, I would be tempted to juice the pot to 3BB preflop with only two limpers to the flop. Either way is okay.

As for the flop yuck! I have such a hard time with these type of flops. Made low but made st8 out that is about to flush. This is something that throws my game off so much. I still am working on this one myself.

In my current state of "no clue" in these spots, I often play it the way you did.

Thanks for posting this specific hand. It gave me a glimpse at one possibility.

In this hand, short-handed, maybe the play is to pot from BB for information.

Actually, in this particular spot being in BB might be a plus.

I think the key is the short-handed / limped aspect of this specific hand. The other interesting thing about this hand is that you have a decent enough flush draw 3-handed. The flush draw might be good.

So this could be a possible "free roll situation".

Like I already mentioned, this is a bit "good lord what to do" problem for me, so looking at this specific hand.....

I think a pot bet to find out where everyone is at. Find out if there is a flopped st8 / nut flush / other A2 out there. I'm thinking, the bet also scares any weak lows out like A3 etc. I guess it's a combo info/protection bet.

Also the cards that make the st8 are 46 and 69 for the nut st8. 46 might be a possible holding but the 69 in a limped pot is very possible for the BB to have, so that alone might be worth the pot bet and to get rid of other iffy flush draws.

The response to the pot bet would of course color what happens next on turn.

I guess if there is a lot of action on the flop, debate whether or not to fold if it's still 3-way action ---- like I said I feel like a babe in the woods in these situations. Such a potential 1/4 pot situation. HU with heavy action, I guess I would then revert to check call.

If it was 3-way call to my pot bet on flop, I think there is a need to slow down with just A2. If it were HU by turn, then maybe another pot bet and then check the river if no obvious "scoop" is apparent.

Thanks again for posting this one, helping me get a clue.

I have a question for those with a clue, in multi-player pot is this an obvious fold to super action even though holding the sacred "A2" (multi-way, I would definitely be checking this flop)? ..... I guess that would be a yes, lol now that I think about it.


Hand 2:

This one is easier for me.

Maybe if I had taken the initiative (but would only attempt this with big pocket pair) but to call pot last to act three-way - stack damage about to occur.

My stomach would turn when that board trips out on turn, talk about wanting to throw up. Thankfully, that could have been avoided on the flop. Minimize losses.

As I have claimed many a time before, nit factor. I would be done with this hand. Could care less, not stacking off to get 1/2, more like 1/4 to 1/6 or ZERO.

Only have low going here. Only would call an über monkey in this spot and then rarely. It's three way action by the time it gets back to you.

In this spot you don't have a big pocket pair to hedge with.

Nope now way no how. I'm definitely into the maximize wins and minimize losses camp.

Auto Fold

Cheers.

Thanks again for getting me on the road to getting a clue about the A2 dilemma.

You have to realise that unless someone has the straight AND A2, you HOPE they have the straight and try to get it all in VS your hand. You are a favourite against them if you get it HU with them, its nearly a freeroll mate (they can hit Ace or Deuce for better low, that is all).

Concerning the first hand: I agree that I should have bet, as this was a limped pot. I played it that weak, because I obviously thought that either jacks are not good for high nor would jack high flush be good. I didn't expect to freeroll Button (and I actually did not).

But the point I would like to hear something about from the experts is, that Button showed strength twice, potting flop and turn, and then comes with a half pot sized bet on the river. I was not sure how to interpret that. Is it a value bet, having A2 + 2 pairs, straight or set, or weakness, e.g. A2 with nut flush draw and ace high. Imo, first case should be another pot sized bet, second case either pot size bet to steal the pot or a check behind. If I was Button in that hand I would have either potted or checked.

So is his river bet the signal for me to get the rest of my / his chips into the pot? I know, I wouldn't have to make that decision if I took the initiative from flop on.

Hand 1 is played badly, hero should try to get as much money as possible because he has an overpair and a nice flush draw which means he is likely to be ahead against other A2xx
Another good reason is that on flop someone with A3xx nut flush draw may come along when you re-raise him but will fold on later streets when he misses so you lose tons of value if you dont pump flop. Obviously A3xx nut flush should be folded to alot of heat on flop but people make those sucker calls all the time.

Hand 2 is more tricky but I absolutly hate to go into check/call mode when I have no high/ no draw. I probably pot it myself and see what happens, as played I just fold to BTN bet especiallly if he is agro, no reasons to set yourself in a position where you chase thin for half.