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09-01-2014 , 12:00 PM

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My August Hyper 6max O8 Total: 10012

I'm assuming this is the 1month 1table O8 sng record... anyone know?
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09-02-2014 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by johnniewalk

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My August Hyper 6max O8 Total: 10012

I'm assuming this is the 1month 1table O8 sng record... anyone know?
Good job! Any chance you post a graph?
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09-02-2014 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by johnniewalk

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My August Hyper 6max O8 Total: 10012

I'm assuming this is the 1month 1table O8 sng record... anyone know?
what do you mean with 1 table O8 sng record ? if no one every played more O8 sngs in a month ?
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09-02-2014 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bakyka
Good job! Any chance you post a graph?
At the end of the year, maybe.
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09-02-2014 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by biood1
what do you mean with 1 table O8 sng record ? if no one every played more O8 sngs in a month ?
Yes, that's what I mean. I stated 1-table to exclude HU sngs.
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09-02-2014 , 12:32 PM
Obviously no one has played 10k 18-man in 1 month. Maybe it's not necessary to exclude HU sngs. Has anyone ever played 10k O8 sngs in a month of any kind or a mix of any format?
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09-02-2014 , 02:10 PM
i may played more in july, would have to check how much i played on laptop, was close to 10k at least.. anyway.. I will play more then 10k this month no matter what so if you cant go for more I'll have this record pretty soon ... but i think wadzon allready played more than 10k/month atleast once, not sure tho
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09-02-2014 , 04:53 PM
Probably ViktorHazard has done 10k+/ month as well.
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09-05-2014 , 12:12 PM
hows everyone doing for vpp? do u set yourself a goal or anything? some of u playing 10+ a month so should get some decent rake back, shame $60+ didnt get going as you could do for sne.
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09-05-2014 , 02:06 PM
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ad 2h 3c Jc48.07% 155,032211,13749,623178,746109,443
10%51.93% 177,066339,24049,62328,898109,443

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ad 2c 3c Js48.23% 156,296210,94549,892179,510108,833
10%51.77% 176,053339,16349,89228,733108,833
The only thing I alter here is that I switch J,3 clubs for 2,3 clubs....and my equity goes up??? Can anyone knowledgeable in such matters explain this please?
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09-05-2014 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by alexmck123
hows everyone doing for vpp? do u set yourself a goal or anything? some of u playing 10+ a month so should get some decent rake back, shame $60+ didnt get going as you could do for sne.
Most months I don't grind enough cash or high volume sit n gos to get gold star, and so I have to settle for silver star and a mix of MTTs and 18mans. Perhaps is there were lots of $7 18mans running it might be easier though. Are there any significant differences between gold or silver besides the slightly faster accumulation of FPPs?
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09-05-2014 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by The Viper
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ad 2h 3c Jc48.07% 155,032211,13749,623178,746109,443
10%51.93% 177,066339,24049,62328,898109,443

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ad 2c 3c Js48.23% 156,296210,94549,892179,510108,833
10%51.77% 176,053339,16349,89228,733108,833
The only thing I alter here is that I switch J,3 clubs for 2,3 clubs....and my equity goes up??? Can anyone knowledgeable in such matters explain this please?
It looks PPT makes each simulation only once and stores it in a database. When there are 600,000 trials it's an approximation. Tried your hands against different hand ranges (9,11,12,13%,*), the equity of the J high suited is some fractions of a percent higher in most of them (as it should )

Last edited by plaaynde; 09-05-2014 at 04:49 PM.
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09-05-2014 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Viper
The only thing I alter here is that I switch J,3 clubs for 2,3 clubs....and my equity goes up??? Can anyone knowledgeable in such matters explain this please?
I call it the luck factor. I don’t know what computer people call it. (maybe variance?).

The truth is, having a deuce and trey suited is really slightly worse than having a deuce and jack suited, despite the enhanced possibility of a straight flush.

If you change the suits, the simulator will run a fresh simulation for you.

Focus on the low ties in the sample simulations below. Seems like the low ties should be the same for each simulation. Yet:
109,413
108,867
108,910
109,725
Well... they are approximately the same in each 600,000 run simulation... but not exactly. And that’s the way simulations are, just approximations, but close enough.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ad 2s 3s Jh48.17% 155,796210,56349,732179,288109,413
10%51.83% 176,048339,70549,73228,966109,413

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ah 2s 3s Jd48.09% 155,458209,85049,874179,172108,867
10%51.91% 176,570340,27649,87428,755108,867

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ah 2d 3s Js48.25% 156,479212,47349,448179,307108,910
10%51.75% 176,376338,07949,44828,997108,910

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
Ad 2h 3s Js48.05% 154,737210,75049,665179,030109,725
10%51.95% 176,818339,58549,66528,698109,725

(Apologies to biood for putting some substance into a reply in this trash thread).

Buzz
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09-05-2014 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzz
despite the enhanced possibility of a straight flush.
Nice find.
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(Apologies to biood for putting some substance into a reply in this trash thread)
I think PPT simulations are "central trash" in the hypers, well suited for this thread.
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09-05-2014 , 06:30 PM
I don't accept.
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09-05-2014 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by biood1
I don't accept.
Fair 'nuff.
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09-06-2014 , 07:32 PM
Thanks for the input guys, I suppose I was thinking after 600,000 trials luck would be banished from the situation, but it seems that no sample size can entirely escape the beast that is variance. Its always there...lurking somewhere.... *checks behind the curtains*
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09-06-2014 , 07:56 PM


(http://www.propokertools.com/videos: All-In Equity Basics) At around 3.10 in the video we can see there is something like 0.2% difference between the simulations with 600,000 trials. Anything under one percent I'm pretty much ignoring myself. I'm making bigger mistakes than that.
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09-07-2014 , 01:25 PM
JJ how much you eat LSD before the session LOL?
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09-07-2014 , 03:15 PM
pure gold
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09-07-2014 , 04:27 PM
Hey guys

I played around 2.1k hypers this week with a ev roi of 3%. Compared to one year ago my ev roi probably wasn't much higher but my abi was. It'll be my last month playing but I wonder how you are doing and how you feel about the current state of the game?
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09-07-2014 , 04:52 PM
yeah, i find the biggest problem is the amount of winning regs are at the micro buy ins, seems like every 3.50 i play has 3 regs at it, hard to crush when everyone is good. it hurting to game long run as playrs like me find it hard to move up. would be nice if the $15+ got going all the time as the regs wouldnt have time for 3.50 or even $7
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09-07-2014 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by alexmck123
yeah, i find the biggest problem is the amount of winning regs are at the micro buy ins, seems like every 3.50 i play has 3 regs at it, hard to crush when everyone is good. it hurting to game long run as playrs like me find it hard to move up. would be nice if the $15+ got going all the time as the regs wouldnt have time for 3.50 or even $7
The problem is that it will not be much volume on the 3.50$ bi if the regs dont play them. Earlier today when i was railing. it took 10 min for a table to start.
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09-07-2014 , 07:25 PM
yeah but theres people up over 10k this year playing $3.5 kinda seems stupid, its not that they want to its just theres no traffic t higher stakes.

also a question to the regs in here, how come alot of u have over 50% steal percentage? yet still have 30%+ pfr? seems like i get snapped with any 4 in any spot lol mines only about 47%
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09-07-2014 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by alexmck123
seems like i get snapped with any 4 in any spot lol mines only about 47%
Do you sit tight and let the stack fall below 8 bb too often? That might be the explanation
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