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06-12-2014 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by biood1
*rolleyes* you just doesnt have a big idea of the game. even I bet i would make 20k pretty easyly in these games in 5 months, atleast including rakeback
LOL. At least you got confidence. You realise that statistically nobody makes (excluding rakeback, over yearly records) $10K over 90 days in hypers, at any stakes, right?

I'm sure it's possible and has been achieved by several players (wadzon and bokkie spring to mind) but I'm equally sure they didn't start off playing $1.50-$3.50.

I think you should start this challenge and post updates, biood. If you have the balls like premove, start a thread and I'll promise $100 (without risk to you) if you beat it.

Last edited by HighTillIDieT4L; 06-12-2014 at 11:20 AM.
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06-12-2014 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HighTillIDieT4L
LOL. At least you got confidence. You realise that statistically nobody makes (excluding rakeback, over yearly records) $10K over 90 days in hypers, at any stakes, right?

I'm sure it's possible and has been achieved by several players (wadzon and bokkie spring to mind) but I'm equally sure they didn't start off playing $1.50-$3.50.

I think you should start this challenge and post updates, biood. If you have the balls like premove, start a thread and I'll promise $100 (without risk to you) if you beat it.
i dont get the point of excluding rakeback... its ****in uninteresting where you winnings come from.. of someone makes 3k rakeback and 0 profit pre rakeback while he had 33% rakeback, it means he did beat the game by 9k but had to pay 9k rake.... so if someone makes 10k rakeback + 1k profit pre-rakeback.. thats exactly as valueable as someone who made 10k pre rakeback and 1k by rakeback... it doesnt matter at all. in the end, all what counts is $/h. lots of players can do 10k in 3 months in these games, me included. they are swingy but im talking about EV.. 10k EV ( including rakeback ).
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06-12-2014 , 06:30 PM
Good luck boys.

I'll get out the measuring tape.
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06-12-2014 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by biood1
i dont get the point of excluding rakeback... its ****in uninteresting where you winnings come from.. of someone makes 3k rakeback and 0 profit pre rakeback while he had 33% rakeback, it means he did beat the game by 9k but had to pay 9k rake.... so if someone makes 10k rakeback + 1k profit pre-rakeback.. thats exactly as valueable as someone who made 10k pre rakeback and 1k by rakeback... it doesnt matter at all. in the end, all what counts is $/h. lots of players can do 10k in 3 months in these games, me included. they are swingy but im talking about EV.. 10k EV ( including rakeback ).
??? If someone has 0 or negative profit from the tables and made all their profit from rakeback, then they didn't beat the game - but they did beat the system

The only way to measure undisputed performance is by using OPR/SC/PT, or similar. Last time I checked they didn't account for RB considerations.
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06-12-2014 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
First time ever for me!


congrats but im surprised that u haven`t been silverstar before....
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06-12-2014 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by manndl
congrats but im surprised that u haven`t been silverstar before....
I just don't put in the volume. I practically only single table. My goal is to become as good a player I can, you could say I prefer quality over quantity. I go in some kind of zen-like relaxation-flow state when single tabling, very nice.

Have never managed to climb higher than the third level at any game I've played. Never really have table selected or bumhunted. Trying to get the math/averages/dynamics at the actual table right. Now I'm building roll, if at zero like now I play the lowest level, but have decided and tried to march up fast if starting to win. The numbers I have indicate I could be a winner at $7.

Unfortunately the question now is If I will be a bronze star in July or if I manage to drop down only to platinum
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06-13-2014 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by HighTillIDieT4L
??? If someone has 0 or negative profit from the tables and made all their profit from rakeback, then they didn't beat the game - but they did beat the system

The only way to measure undisputed performance is by using OPR/SC/PT, or similar. Last time I checked they didn't account for RB considerations.

i tried explaining why he someone like that is actually beating the game, you just wont understand... nothing more i can do.
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06-13-2014 , 10:41 PM
lol
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06-14-2014 , 04:01 PM
Only decent player left playing hypers surely left is Bok man. Everyone else must have realised it's like playing on coke...addictive but ****s you over in the long run. These must be profitable now without 90% of the good players left. Makes me wanna start playing these again.
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06-14-2014 , 11:27 PM
They are not all gone yet. Saw biood, Ziemni0k, Premove I think, yesterday when taking a trip to the $3.50s, hoping to continue there. Lost five in a row, back to $1.50. My ev was only slightly losing, but ev isn't building roll. Being a winner in the long run at $3.50 I could almost take an oath on. But I play as a hobby, non-losing is the primary thing, not winning money for real life.

I think the technique for winning the hypers differs significantly from other O8 games. You must challenge everything you have learnt, you just have to figure out how to do it. I have figured out enough for being a slight winner, but miles away from enough. I will try to develop, in fact I love the hypers, even if I understand what you are talking about streity. One surely shouldn't be tilt-prone if playing them. Gosh. The different graphs will come to your resque though, giving you a hint about how you "really" are doing.

Last edited by plaaynde; 06-14-2014 at 11:43 PM.
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06-16-2014 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by streityboy
Only decent player left playing hypers surely left is Bok man. Everyone else must have realised it's like playing on coke...addictive but ****s you over in the long run. These must be profitable now without 90% of the good players left. Makes me wanna start playing these again.
games were always profitable if ur very good.
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06-16-2014 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by biood1
games were always profitable if ur very good.
I made a decent profit thanks. Perhaps I could have phrased it better though to say they must be super super profitable now a lot of the good players have stopped playing them rather than just profitable.

But hell, this hyper thread is all about dick waving, so you keep challenging everyone man. Hell you're the GOAT at hypers .
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06-17-2014 , 05:54 AM
ye, i like some good challenges, but when only bokkie says he's willing to accept something its a good sign for my reputation i guess
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06-17-2014 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by biood1
ye, i like some good challenges, but when only bokkie says he's willing to accept something its a good sign for my reputation i guess
lol lol lol. Been railing you 2 last days. You have alot of gold hair in your a..

You are clueless. Your just all in or fold no 2 bet or 3 bet. Pushing hands like a689 pre with 20 bb and lucking out on most of your opponents. The day your luck runs out you will lose a big amount.
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06-17-2014 , 07:32 AM
i think biood1 is good at hypers
(at least better then you are hunting_hilo)
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06-17-2014 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sjappie
i think biood1 is good at hypers
(at least better then you are hunting_hilo)
I have retired due to medical reasons. I did rail with a friend that is visiting me on the hospital. He is one of the better omaha hi lo players around. And he also said biood played really bad. Just my 2 cents. Other than that gl with poker and life. I will soon rail all of you from heaven or hell. Just not sure where they will send me. Cancer is a bit..
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06-17-2014 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by HighTillIDieT4L
??? If someone has 0 or negative profit from the tables and made all their profit from rakeback, then they didn't beat the game - but they did beat the system

The only way to measure undisputed performance is by using OPR/SC/PT, or similar. Last time I checked they didn't account for RB considerations.
Actually if you have a Sharkscope subscription you have the option to plug in a rakeback % and it will bring up a graph that shows your results with rakeback included.
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06-17-2014 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by biood1
ye, i like some good challenges, but when only bokkie says he's willing to accept something its a good sign for my reputation i guess
or coz no1 gives a **** and knows there is so much luck involved with a monthly or w/e HT bet. Do you really think there is tons of skill in your shove or fold HT strategy lol.

Funny how you come back running your mouth off like you're this huge hyper turbo beast. yawn.

And if bokkie still does play ht's of course he would challenge you as it's extra money if he wins and can easily afford to lose.

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06-17-2014 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hunting_hilo
I have retired due to medical reasons. I did rail with a friend that is visiting me on the hospital. He is one of the better omaha hi lo players around. And he also said biood played really bad. Just my 2 cents. Other than that gl with poker and life. I will soon rail all of you from heaven or hell. Just not sure where they will send me. Cancer is a bit..
sorry to hear that hunting. Keep fighting and get better soon. gl
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06-17-2014 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hunting_hilo

You are clueless. Your just all in or fold no 2 bet or 3 bet. Pushing hands like a689 pre with 20 bb and lucking out on most of your opponents. The day your luck runs out you will lose a big amount.
+1

Couldnt have put it better myself

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06-17-2014 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by hunting_hilo
I have retired due to medical reasons. I did rail with a friend that is visiting me on the hospital. He is one of the better omaha hi lo players around. And he also said biood played really bad. Just my 2 cents. Other than that gl with poker and life. I will soon rail all of you from heaven or hell. Just not sure where they will send me. Cancer is a bit..
gl!never give up!
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06-17-2014 , 09:37 AM
GL Hunting hoping for for a speedy recovery for you
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06-17-2014 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hunting_hilo
hands like a689 pre with 20 bb and lucking out on most of your opponents.
All is relative:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
a68954.13% 224,947309,42911,316192,64914,064
*45.87% 177,239279,25511,316119,07214,064

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
a68944.69% 155,284270,00926,339111,48742,683
a55.31% 218,987303,65226,339167,20842,683

Sorry to hear about your disease. Hope you get peace with yourself.
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06-17-2014 , 10:29 AM
I should rather said he is way behind preflopp but is still winning most of them.

Ty for the get well wishes
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06-17-2014 , 10:59 AM
bokkie says im good tho, and I actually KNOW that im good since i got my EV-Results. There are people doing better $/game for sure but I am 16 tabling. this month I played arround 3,3k 6max hypers so far and for the fact im multi tabling that hard i am crushing like no one else at the moment, thats what my guess is. must be atleast top 3 $/h. My working moral still sucks tho as im only playing like 3h average a day --> THX soccer
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