by playing 20 games per night off peak with no regs sitting, yeah

Nope, even sitting exclusively with SNEs, SNs and leaderboard players, a great player could shoot 15-20%. My stats for $30 games ARE exclusively vs players with > VIP status than me. Last night I had wadzon (soon SNE), epicori* (wrong spelling but SNE with badge), bullstopper (a luckbox wanker), janiosmo (a v good player) and one atrocious SN newbie who donked me 3 times in $100 games.

I'm sorry to say that, but I don't have any other words for it: you are delusional. you would have to play with people that fold to most shoves when blinds are high and they are priced in. Do you really think that will happen with regs (even SNE) at these stakes? Tell me where a 20% edge would be coming from.

Same place the 9% edge came from.

Lay down many playable hands pre vs the players you rate (stack permitting) and play everything vs position shoves from SN aggro-donks.

Have extensive play notes on everybody and trust your reads HU.

Then obviously don't make any ICM mistakes, steal whenever possible and cross your fingers that if you keep getting in 60/40 or better, that you will post an ROI > 15%.

Target cold players. Avoid boss-fishers and on days when stars is being a total bitch, walk away and don't sit there and tilt like a muppet.

Of course the data is cherry picked, the largest sample you have is at $15s with 5% and a bunch of games at $3s wiith 4%. I have no idea how many $60+ you played, i guess a fair few. Seen as you havn't included these i presume they arnt 10%.

Worst 500 @ 2% ROI ish. best 100 @ just under 50% ROI. best 500 @ 17%ish. Both of which got you onto the sharkscope streak leaderboards.

Im starting to believe your posting here is just a massive level.

My 8.40% edge (6.8k games, 9.55% in my main games with 6.4k games) does definitely not come from getting it in ahead on average! There is no 20% edge versus regs, even with perfect decision making and extensive notes. Only if you have at least 2-3 people that fold WAY too much in the late game, you might achieve this ROI.

This is such gold.

Everyone's getting levelled. Quant's 2+2 avatar anyone?

This is a fold because of ICM right?

I don not think you can fold this once opened.

Reads on BB?

Not good if Villains learn you always fold to a shove with the the third biggest stack.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Ac Ah 2h 5h	63.33%	229,250	339,874	93,627	124,213	121,619
5%	36.67%	105,331	166,499	93,627	51,730	121,619

Villain scoops maybe only one time in six. You already put in 2BB of your 10BB. Another BB in the pot after SB fold + antes. Call.

angibob trying to out level hightillidie, its going to be a tough task. Post in improvment thread for longer time bank.

Honestly? I ran out of free searches on SC, so couldn't check all games - although if it makes u feel any better, I know my ROI is -ve in $60 and $100 games (vs identical field). This is the reason why I dislike JJ and wadzon - they kept position-busting me with rags to the point where I was scared to even sit lol. Makes sense my ROI is lower @ $1.50, $3.50 as if I'm playing these stakes, high chance I'm on 100% tilt.

Well, IMHO, even if JJ disagrees, I'm a top 50 player in OH8 6-max, for sure. Honestly, if you play as much as I have and have half a brain, it shouldn't be possible to LOSE over any reasonable sample period (1000+games/2 months).

I don't get the terminology, "is just a massive level", what does this mean?

Most of us here are egotistical maniacs with unwavering belief that we are the best. IF WE ARE THE BEST, I re-iterate, 15-20% should be our target, not 5% or 10%.

@ Angribob - uh, I'm prob amongst the tightest of reg OH8 players and I wouldn't ever dream of folding there. Most of the time I'm so terrified of losing A A 2 suited that I would just shove. Unless you are playing weak players, most will call the shove and the raise without distinguishing between them.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, what are you trying to do here? Cash or win? I reckon @ $15 you are more than good enough to target wins only.

I lol'd.

Nice edit on the HH

Tried to be as polite as possible, not saying he had lost it.

I played just 1 hour of hypers today that made me think Quant actually does have a point. Please see below. I must have been running so bad over my lifetime to get just 6% over 10k games or so? 50% might not be totally sustainable (think I ran just ok in this session when all my 55:45 and 45:55 flips seemed to scoop) but that's not the point.



I also tried a new strategy that I think might have worked. I didn't go all in unless I had a hand like AK2*. This seemed to work in that everyone kept pushing and pushing on me using something called Fold Equity (wtf this isn't a strat post Andy), but when I did call them KAPOW! They kept trying to do this, but I kept to my guns and eventually I doubled up at 50/100 blinds. I mean this one dude shoved KQ67 suited on me ? I mean doesn't he know that that hand is dominated by my call range? FISH. I pointed him to PPT as he obviously needed it!!

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
kq67	39.18%	144,696	264,168	2,809	76,795	2,120
5%	60.82%	273,324	333,023	2,809	235,841	2,120

Problem is you don't get hands like A2K* all that often. Playing too few hands in hypers must equal suicide.


Edit: ahh, it was streityboy's level.

If it wasnt for the run bad around game 20 you would be a 70% roi player.

edit: oh and was you targeting wins only?

At some point my ROI has been the maximum, 264%. Winning every tournament

I have 274.8% at the 30s this year.

Again. Too much strat ITT.

I've got 276.32% at 100s lifetime! only fish at these stakes and I'm obviously in boss-fish-heater-doomswitch-Ibribedpokerstars-mode at this level!

Damn I must really suck.. I've got only 89.4% ROI at 300$ Hypers.

gotta play 500s to maximize ev