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11-22-2013 , 11:00 AM
@Waltiph... I just find you to have a game with fewer areas to exploit compared to most other players I play regularly along with a stronger hu game than most.

@streity... You might have expected me to say Bob is the most difficult for me to play against but although I have played with Bob a bit lately ( trying to get up earlier ) Bob is generally done playing by the time I start playing so we play together very infrequently. Usually games are really soft when I first get up so I dont mind seeing Bob at the tables because the other 4 spots are usually weaker players.
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11-22-2013 , 11:15 AM
waltiph mention quitting by next summer which Im guessing is job related but does make me wonder what will be the state of NLO8 hypers by next summer. I hope a lot of the 15 regs move up by then as before long everybody is going to be fighting for 1% rois in 15s. There are guys making elite just playing 30- 100 holdem hypers and it would be nice if it were possible to do in O8 as well.
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11-22-2013 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by streityboy
Very few tines i disagree with j but if you think walt is the most difficult lol. Being so wide in certain spots is as easy to play as being so tight. Angri is on another level still.
ty for the love streity but it seems you rate my own game more highly than I do. I don't do a ton of thinking at the tables and my adjustments vs different play types can be poor. I do well because I game select heavily and have ranges which fish repeatedly fail to exploit. In my own mind I am the ultimate ABC player and that's my strength really - I don't deviate from my own strategies ever and I rarely tilt. Put me in tougher games however and I doubt I would do as well as Juicy or others - at least not without working on my game a ton first. I'm not just being modest - or expecting you to say "no bob you're the best" this is genuinely how I see my own poker and to be honest it suits me to a tee
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11-22-2013 , 04:57 PM
how long have u guys seen this guy j.j.j.j win playing these? I have never ever seen him in mtts or cash yet hes playin a load of these when I have played lately. Playing like a decent very aggro reg.

OPR and sharkscope locked. location is argentina.

looks very dodgy to me. I suspect there are a lot of vpners turning up playing these. One of them gotta be ajb and a load more US regs.
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11-22-2013 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Angribob
ty for the love streity but it seems you rate my own game more highly than I do. I don't do a ton of thinking at the tables and my adjustments vs different play types can be poor. I do well because I game select heavily and have ranges which fish repeatedly fail to exploit. In my own mind I am the ultimate ABC player and that's my strength really - I don't deviate from my own strategies ever and I rarely tilt. Put me in tougher games however and I doubt I would do as well as Juicy or others - at least not without working on my game a ton first. I'm not just being modest - or expecting you to say "no bob you're the best" this is genuinely how I see my own poker and to be honest it suits me to a tee
Respect.
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11-22-2013 , 06:20 PM
love hypers:
429 sng $060 (-$2301)
114 sng $100 (-$2368)
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11-22-2013 , 06:35 PM
I do not ever recall claiming to be good but what ever. My results are as good as anybodys in the stakes i have been playing so im happy.

Personal best of 70 buy ins below ev today over 130 games, 50/71 in o8 hypers and the rest heads up holdem hypers.
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11-23-2013 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by billygstar
how long have u guys seen this guy j.j.j.j win playing these? I have never ever seen him in mtts or cash yet hes playin a load of these when I have played lately. Playing like a decent very aggro reg.

OPR and sharkscope locked. location is argentina.

looks very dodgy to me. I suspect there are a lot of vpners turning up playing these. One of them gotta be ajb and a load more US regs.
I have played with this guy a lot at PLO hypers. In those games he plays pretty tight but solid, although strategy ought to be different in PLO so maybe he is not the same in the O8 games.

I've noticed he, Salisero, myself, and maybe a couple other PLO hyper guys are playing more O8 now because the traffic is sometimes poor at the PLOs.
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11-23-2013 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Prophili
Did we play a lot against each other? I really don't remember you at my tables. I don't agree with your statement in bold at .
I dunno whether you know my sn then.

As to the bit in bold. The thing with hypers is if you can do basic maths you can be good at hypers. It's the easiest form of o8 imo because it is still in its infancy and people are lazy or play it for fun. But in my mind I know what regs are doing and so playing against decent players isn't that hard if you pay attention to ranges. Shoving on tight players or calling really light regs are both exploits.

In my mind there are certain spots some regs shove too light. Juicy's hand against wadz is not a spot I would have shoved. I avoid these spots also because I know hu is my strongest area and I would back myself hu with a third of the chips against most.

Last edited by streityboy; 11-23-2013 at 10:27 AM.
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11-23-2013 , 11:08 AM
Try playing 10 tables and having waltiph in 4 of them on the bubble, it's not fun
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11-23-2013 , 11:39 AM
streity i think you are way over estimating the edge attainable playing short stack heads up. only time you can gain a huge edge is when playing a fish that folds way way to much, even then 2/1 chip disadvantage wouldnt be possible. Against any player with even the slightest clue over coming even a 55/45 chip count would be impossible long term to achieve >50% first.
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11-23-2013 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by streityboy
I dunno whether you know my sn then.

As to the bit in bold. The thing with hypers is if you can do basic maths you can be good at hypers. It's the easiest form of o8 imo because it is still in its infancy and people are lazy or play it for fun. But in my mind I know what regs are doing and so playing against decent players isn't that hard if you pay attention to ranges. Shoving on tight players or calling really light regs are both exploits.

In my mind there are certain spots some regs shove too light. Juicy's hand against wadz is not a spot I would have shoved. I avoid these spots also because I know hu is my strongest area and I would back myself hu with a third of the chips against most.
I've started them again lately but cant get a decent run going. I think i'm shoving too light in spots but i have noticed juicy shoves lighter than i would in some spots too. I have little idea which is more correct anyway ha.
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11-23-2013 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
To be honest I would like to see you biood and whoever else who thinks they are good playing higher. The more guys playing 30s 60s 100s the better for me. There is not enough volume atm at these stakes and if NLO8 hypers are ever going to be really profitable it requires more players willing to play higher. I'll play with anyone and there is really only 1 player I dont like seeing at my tables and that is waltiph.

60s is easy

Nov graph for 60s

i'm not playing hypers anymore as I felt too much like a robo, playing HU cash again now.. will only get back into O8 sngs if i can't beat HU as these sngs are easy money if you run arround EV.. HU is more fun tho and I enjoy it more...

and @ streity: big lol @ winning HU with 33% chips with skill only ;D you're so absurd, realy.. no hate, that point is just nowhere possible
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11-24-2013 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by flipya4dinna
streity i think you are way over estimating the edge attainable playing short stack heads up. only time you can gain a huge edge is when playing a fish that folds way way to much, even then 2/1 chip disadvantage wouldnt be possible. Against any player with even the slightest clue over coming even a 55/45 chip count would be impossible long term to achieve >50% first.
What I was implying is that I only feel like I am really up against it HU when I have less than 1/3 of the chips. I wasn't suggesting that I would be a favourite at all lol, just at less of a disadvantage than most.

As 95%+ have no clue I think it's the one area I personally have the biggest edge. It's just a personal thing. It's the one area I feel is my strongest area, others exploiting the bubble or adjusting to player types.

At 54% of 1sts HU over the last 5.7k games, I feel my belief that I have an edge is justified.

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Originally Posted by biood1
i'm not playing hypers anymore as I felt too much like a robo, playing HU cash again now.. will only get back into O8 sngs if i can't beat HU as these sngs are easy money if you run arround EV.. HU is more fun tho and I enjoy it more...
I agree with this. Starting to play HU SNGs personally.

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Originally Posted by biood1
and @ streity: big lol @ winning HU with 33% chips with skill only ;D you're so absurd, realy.. no hate, that point is just nowhere possible
See above. The point I was making is a bit more subtle than you have read.

Last edited by streityboy; 11-24-2013 at 03:39 PM.
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11-24-2013 , 06:04 PM
streity, what is your average chips at the begging of HU matches though?
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11-24-2013 , 06:36 PM
Phew played "spontaneously" 650 hypers today Ended up breakeven and 450$ below EV :/ At least min cashed the BOTP shooutout. Busted with JJ vs AA for 6k stack in the second round.
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11-25-2013 , 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Prophili
Phew played "spontaneously" 650 hypers today Ended up breakeven and 450$ below EV :/ At least min cashed the BOTP shooutout. Busted with JJ vs AA for 6k stack in the second round.
Good effort.

I have a question.

I comfortably play 6-7 tables on average but have started adding more. Played 9 a couple of times and admire how you do it.

How do I do this in terms of layout on a 17inch laptop? What do you guys do?
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11-25-2013 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by streityboy
Good effort.

I have a question.

I comfortably play 6-7 tables on average but have started adding more. Played 9 a couple of times and admire how you do it.

How do I do this in terms of layout on a 17inch laptop? What do you guys do?
i did always stack, 8+ tables all the time, mostly 10-11
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11-25-2013 , 10:29 AM
If you can comfortably play 6-7 tables tiling you could probably 10 table easy stacking. I have a table previewer running along the bottom of my monitor that shows all my games and then the top 2/3 of my screen is split between the lobby and my stack of tables.
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11-25-2013 , 07:20 PM
Thanks both of you.

Got a table viewer working but any tips on not having to re-stack?
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11-26-2013 , 09:12 PM
Poker Stars $14.41+$0.59 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds + t2 - 5 players - View hand 2365765
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: t488 M = 12.20
SB: t758 M = 18.95
BB: t498 M = 12.45
Hero (UTG): t498 M = 12.45
CO: t758 M = 18.95


Poker Stars $14.41+$0.59 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds + t4 - 3 players - View hand 2365766
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

SB: t836 M = 11.61
BB: t1435 M = 19.93
Hero (BTN): t729 M = 10.12

Pre Flop: (t72) Hero is BTN with A A 9 8
Hero raises to t118, 2 folds

Pre Flop: (t40) Hero is UTG with 2 7 8 4
Hero raises to t247, CO calls t247, BTN raises to t486 all in, 2 folds, Hero calls t239, CO calls t239

Flop: (t1498) T 6 4 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero checks, CO bets t270 all in, Hero calls t10 all in

Turn: (t1518) 5 (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: (t1518) 9 (3 players - 3 are all in)


Spoiler:
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Parasences: shows [2c 7h 8d 4c] (HI: a straight, Six to Ten; LO: 7,6,5,4,2)
ahcjunior: shows [Th 6s Ac 9h] (HI: two pair, Tens and Nines)
Parasences collected 10 from side pot
Parasences collected 10 from side pot
4Kings_Hit: shows [2d As Jh 3d] (HI: a straight, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,5,4,2,A)
Parasences collected 749 from main pot
4Kings_Hit collected 749 from main pot




Poker Stars $14.41+$0.59 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds + t4 - 3 players - View hand 2365767
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

SB: t836 M = 11.61
BB: t1435 M = 19.93
Hero (BTN): t729 M = 10.12

Pre Flop: (t72) Hero is BTN with T 4 A 6
Hero raises to t146, SB calls t126, 1 fold



Poker Stars $14.41+$0.59 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds + t4 - 3 players - View hand 2365768
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: t107 M = 1.49
SB: t1391 M = 19.32
Hero (BB): t1502 M = 20.86

Pre Flop: (t72) Hero is BB with 4 A A 5
BTN raises to t80, SB calls t60, Hero raises to t1145, BTN calls t23 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t298) 8 8 T (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t298) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t298) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

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*** SHOW DOWN ***
Parasences: shows [4s Ad Ah 5c] (HI: two pair, Aces and Eights)
4Kings_Hit: shows [7d 2s Ac Qs] (HI: a pair of Eights)
Parasences collected 298 from pot
No low hand qualified
4Kings_Hit finished the tournament in 3rd place



Round 3, FIGHT !

Poker Stars $14.41+$0.59 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds + t10 - 2 players - View hand 2365769
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BB: t1432 M = 8.42
Hero (BTN/SB): t1568 M = 9.22

Pre Flop: (t170) Hero is BTN/SB with 2 5 3 2
Hero raises to t532, BB raises to t1422 all in, Hero calls t890

Flop: (t2864) K 4 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2864) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2864) J (2 players - 1 is all in)



Cliffs:




Spoiler:
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Osracm: shows [8h 5c 3h Ah] (HI: a pair of Kings)
Parasences: shows [2s 5h 3s 2h] (HI: two pair, Kings and Deuces)
Parasences collected 2864 from pot
No low hand qualified
Osracm finished the tournament in 2nd place and received $30.26.
Parasences wins, FATALITY!!! and receives $56.20 - congratulations!




Now I reg the next one. (single-tabling, though)
I'm white hyper-trash, come and get me ! ! !

Last edited by Paralimbic; 11-26-2013 at 09:25 PM.
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11-27-2013 , 03:39 AM
No money in hypers. Everyone's solid.
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11-27-2013 , 11:42 AM
I contacted stars support asking them to review a bubble that was an unusual experience. They replied saying that they admit a few hands were unusual but there was no evidence to suggest collusion.

I never believed that the two players had an agreement, especially seeing as the other shorty to me was pretty horrible and down big on SC. So i decided to pose a theoretical situation to Stars and see what their policy would be on the situation.

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What is stars stance on this scenario?

Reg A big stack
Reg B shorty 3bb
Random shorty 3bb

Reg A decides that he wants to be an arse to Reg B by making it his primary motive that Reg B bubbles. Every action he takes from here out is taken to minimize Reg Bs ev with disregard to his own. There is no verbal contract between Reg A and random shorty but Reg A is prepared to soft play with Random shorty, spite call Reg B and chip dump to Random shorty. What is stars ruling on this scenario? Acceptable or not?
I think this brings up a very gray area but but stars states

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When reviewing tournament play for possible collusion we check for the following:

1) Best hand playing - where colluding players play only the better of their two hands.

2) Soft playing - where colluding players refuse to play aggressively against each other. For example they may check or fold against each other where they would normally bet or raise against a stranger.

3) Chip dumping/Stack balancing - where the large stack folds to the small stack to balance their chips. The idea is to improve the chances of both players finishing in money positions in a tournament.
These three points are implying a known contract between players. Is it colluding if only one player is involved and the other player is oblivious? I have always taken the opinion that it is ok to unverbally collude with a player in a spot because doing so is +ev for both players and there is nothing wrong with trying to maximise your own ev. At what point does collusion end and fair play begin on a sliding scale? I would like to hear the communitys opinions on this as unfortunatly Stars have not replied as of yet with my email being sent 4 days ago.
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11-27-2013 , 12:09 PM
This is from a previous pokerstars supernova vip email

"If you play non-HU Sit & Go tournaments, you’ll want to be particularly careful. Technically you are breaking our collusion rules if you are at any time not acting in your best interests in the current tournament, even if your activities are not coordinated with anyone else. For example, it is not allowed as the big stack in a satellite paying multiple places to avoid calling against weak players in an attempt to ensure that a stronger, regular player finishes out of the money."
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11-27-2013 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by flipya4dinna
I contacted stars support asking them to review a bubble that was an unusual experience. They replied saying that they admit a few hands were unusual but there was no evidence to suggest collusion.

I never believed that the two players had an agreement, especially seeing as the other shorty to me was pretty horrible and down big on SC. So i decided to pose a theoretical situation to Stars and see what their policy would be on the situation.



I think this brings up a very gray area but but stars states



These three points are implying a known contract between players. Is it colluding if only one player is involved and the other player is oblivious? I have always taken the opinion that it is ok to unverbally collude with a player in a spot because doing so is +ev for both players and there is nothing wrong with trying to maximise your own ev. At what point does collusion end and fair play begin on a sliding scale? I would like to hear the communitys opinions on this as unfortunatly Stars have not replied as of yet with my email being sent 4 days ago.
Can to post the HH's Sharkey? I am intigued.
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