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07-17-2013 , 06:52 AM

#26

billygstar

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,115

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmalloy

Do you have a lot of history v this Villain? Maybe he is showing that he is willing to call wide to tighten your shoving range in similar spots?

I don't think thats a valid enough reason reason to make that call but I genuinely want to know what those guys think of the call

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07-17-2013 , 07:20 AM

#27

Dmalloy

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 673

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Originally Posted by billygstar

I don't think thats a valid enough reason reason to make that call but I genuinely want to know what those guys think of the call

Villain still has a 600+ stack if he calls and loses don't think its bad.

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07-17-2013 , 07:47 AM

#28

flipya4dinna

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 524

i think it must of been waterboa?

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07-17-2013 , 08:11 AM

#29

Premove

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 77

If you want to have traffic into hyper, I can mix it with the hypers Hold'em + Omaha Hilo.I can play absolutely any opponents in the Stars $ 60)Only need to preferably at the same time, preparations were going)

I think,you can understand me

Sorry for my english.

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07-17-2013 , 08:56 AM

#30

billygstar

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,115

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Originally Posted by flipya4dinna

i think it must of been waterboa?

nah malloy

I wasn't posting it to troll him hence left out the names which I don't normally do but was interested to see what others think of the call. I personally think it's a bad call but it's obv close enough that ppl have different opinions on it.

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07-17-2013 , 12:37 PM

#31

Brunolf

adept

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 842

this call doesn't seem right to me even though pot odds are great due to blinds... can someone please tell me if that's a correct call and I'll have to study some more

Poker Stars, $14.41 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 12 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18459021

SB: 290 (2.4 bb)
BB: 657 (5.5 bb)
CO: 1,454 (12.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): 599 (5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

CO folds, Hero raises to 587 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls 467

Flop: (1,282) 8

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (1,282) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (1,282) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

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07-17-2013 , 01:32 PM

#32

BadAstronaut

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 253

I must say, for someone who's played so much poker and does so well, e-run can be a bit of a rude, moaning ****, wouldn't you agree?

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07-17-2013 , 01:38 PM

#33

plaaynde

Poker Historian

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,069

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brunolf

this call doesn't seem right to me even though pot odds are great due to blinds... can someone please tell me if that's a correct call and I'll have to study some more

CO folds, Hero raises to 587 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls 467

Flop: (1,282) 8

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (1,282) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (1,282) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Spoiler:

Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

It's close. Villain's equity is about one fifth worse than yours, and he has already put in about one fifth of his stack as the big blind.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]

1,086,008 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
5s 9d 4h 8c	43.79%	312,582	378,166	4,215	417,048	35,208
Qs 6h 4d Qh	56.21%	454,591	703,627	4,215	144,912	35,208

To be exact: 4bb to call 6bb = villain needs 66.67% equity for calling.
He's got 43.79/56.21 = 77.9%. Appears to be a clear call for villain.

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07-17-2013 , 02:14 PM

#34

plaaynde

Poker Historian

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,069

Timed out, apparently my calculation wasn't right, after all. It may be comparing pears and apples. Maybe it should be like this: with 4bb to call for trying to win a total pot of 10bb villain needs an equity of 40% or more. He's got 43.79%. Still a call for villain, but much closer than above. I'd bet this is the correct version

Edit 2: forgot about the dead money, the small blind. We have 4bb for calling to try to win a total pot of 10.5bb. That is a needed equity of only 4/10.5 = 38.1%. Looks really good for Villain, looks he has a real edge by calling Hero's all-in.

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07-17-2013 , 03:40 PM

#35

Macr0s_

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 217

This is not a cash game... This is a SnG you can't use a cEV calculation to justify
a call and can't use QQ64 as BU pushing range. If BU is pushing QQ64 he is
pushing at least everything better than QQ64 too and maybe a lot of worse hands too.

Back to your question Brunolf, it depends on what range villain gives you, but it
could be profitable.

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07-17-2013 , 04:27 PM

#36

saman_come_on

adept

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 984

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadAstronaut

I must say, for someone who's played so much poker and does so well, e-run can be a bit of a rude, moaning ****, wouldn't you agree?

huh? what did I do?

I had my worst session in 1.5 months today and don't remember saying anything rude. Is this a level? the doing well part sure is

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07-17-2013 , 04:44 PM

#37

BadAstronaut

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 253

Not a level at all - you were just moaning in the chat box over very standard situations. It was far from the extent I've seen before (because wow poker brings out the worst in people) but I just was a bit surprised that you'd have that reaction to flips and all ins not going your way. And man you sucked out a good few times in the many games I have seen you play. Anyway, no biggie.

This game is ****ing tilting and I'm taking a break for a few days. Grrrrrr. Can't win a flip, aces cracked a gazillion times, so over it right now - lost tons of buy-ins today. Enjoy, all ye of better temperament

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07-17-2013 , 04:47 PM

#38

Buzz

gramps

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 18,254

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Originally Posted by BadAstronaut

I must say, for someone who's played so much poker and does so well, e-run can be a bit of a rude, moaning ****, wouldn't you agree?

Is "e-run" one of the participants in pokerstars HyperSnG games?

(I see that saman_come_on has "e-run" as a location). (Is "saman_come_on" the same person as "e-run"?)

Buzz

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07-17-2013 , 04:58 PM

#39

saman_come_on

adept

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 984

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadAstronaut

Yep hypers are very swingy and tilting at times, taking a few days off might not be bad idea, I hope your luck turns around.
And if i offended you in any shape or form i apologize even though i still have no idea what you're talking about. let's just drop it.

@ Buzz
yes, my PokerStars screen name is e-run73. my location is e-run because that's the way Iran should be pronounced!

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07-17-2013 , 05:01 PM

#40

streityboy

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,551

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz

Is "e-run" one of the participants in pokerstars HyperSnG games?

(I see that saman_come_on has "e-run" as a location). (Is "saman_come_on" the same person as "e-run"?)

Buzz

I think so. E-run is from Iran. Get it?

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07-17-2013 , 05:05 PM

#41

appelonius

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 173

Had they idea of playing 100 hypers today, far more then i am used to play, and am running bad not sure if this is normal swingy or just a exception can someone tell me?

played 49 sngs
964 hands
16K under chip ev

@ BadAstronaut i can understand someone saying something about my chat banter they prob right

but dont think i have even seen e-run in chat, ever.

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07-17-2013 , 05:12 PM

#42

streityboy

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,551

Quote:

Originally Posted by appelonius

but dont think i have even seen e-run in chat, ever.

Focus on your winnings. I gave up giving a **** about $ev in my poker tracker a long time ago. People get obsessed with their lines. The only line that matters is the $ one.

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07-17-2013 , 05:28 PM

#43

Buzz

gramps

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 18,254

Quote:

Originally Posted by saman_come_on

@ Buzz
yes, my PokerStars screen name is e-run73. my location is e-run because that's the way Iran should be pronounced!

Thank you. Very clear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by streityboy

I think so. E-run is from Iran. Get it?

Sort of. Thank you.

Buzz

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07-17-2013 , 06:49 PM

#44

appelonius

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 173

Quote:

Originally Posted by streityboy

Focus on your winnings. I gave up giving a **** about $ev in my poker tracker a long time ago. People get obsessed with their lines. The only line that matters is the $ one.

I have to disagree with you all lines that give you information matter.

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07-17-2013 , 06:52 PM

#45

streityboy

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,551

Quote:

Originally Posted by appelonius

I have to disagree with you all lines that give you information matter.

Wrong. Do you know how badly Ev trackers are for 08? Obviously not. I do my own maths and they are way off. Multiple that by thousands of games and u have meaningless lines.

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07-17-2013 , 07:12 PM

#46

Macr0s_

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 217

He talked about cev and there should be nothing wrong with the numbers given.
He wasn't talking about the adjusted winnings from SnG which are way off.
Judging how you run by cEV numbers has multiple problems too, if you look at
overall adj cEV won you overvalue big blind level, if you look at adj cEV/100
you overvalue small blind level and both don't distinguish between how strong the
icm bubble factor is. If you ran bad 3handed its worse than running bad hu and
its way worse than running bad at 20/10 6handed.

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07-18-2013 , 12:54 AM

#47

plaaynde

Poker Historian

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 20,069

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macr0s_

True. We don't have the complete information before it's over.

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07-18-2013 , 06:52 PM

#48

UnnaturalDisaster

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,543

waterboa "the new wadzon" running insanely over ev once again today. I hope this guy sticks around for awhile.

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07-18-2013 , 07:56 PM

#49

UnnaturalDisaster

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,543

11k worth of hypers today which is almost surely my most of the year unfortunately its probably the worst I have run in a day also.

Todays chip ev

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07-18-2013 , 08:58 PM

#50

booink

self-banned

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 410

that happens when you use your ninja meditation skills to stop my rungood instead of concentrating on your own rungood, you bad voodoo zen mojo mf :O

was up 1k then dropped 1,4k then went back to even. should´ve stopped my 2nd session after i won the first 3 or 4 allins in a row vs you...

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