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07-17-2013 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dmalloy
Do you have a lot of history v this Villain? Maybe he is showing that he is willing to call wide to tighten your shoving range in similar spots?
I don't think thats a valid enough reason reason to make that call but I genuinely want to know what those guys think of the call
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07-17-2013 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by billygstar
I don't think thats a valid enough reason reason to make that call but I genuinely want to know what those guys think of the call
Villain still has a 600+ stack if he calls and loses don't think its bad.
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07-17-2013 , 07:47 AM
i think it must of been waterboa?
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07-17-2013 , 08:11 AM
If you want to have traffic into hyper, I can mix it with the hypers Hold'em + Omaha Hilo.I can play absolutely any opponents in the Stars $ 60)Only need to preferably at the same time, preparations were going)

I think,you can understand me

Sorry for my english.
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07-17-2013 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by flipya4dinna
i think it must of been waterboa?
nah malloy

I wasn't posting it to troll him hence left out the names which I don't normally do but was interested to see what others think of the call. I personally think it's a bad call but it's obv close enough that ppl have different opinions on it.
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07-17-2013 , 12:37 PM
this call doesn't seem right to me even though pot odds are great due to blinds... can someone please tell me if that's a correct call and I'll have to study some more


    Poker Stars, $14.41 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 12 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18459021

    SB: 290 (2.4 bb)
    BB: 657 (5.5 bb)
    CO: 1,454 (12.1 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 599 (5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 6 4 Q
    CO folds, Hero raises to 587 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls 467

    Flop: (1,282) 8 4 K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (1,282) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (1,282) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,282 pot
    Final Board: 8 4 K T 7
    BB showed 5 9 4 8 and won 1,282 (683 net)
    Hero showed Q 6 4 Q and lost (-599 net)



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    07-17-2013 , 01:32 PM
    I must say, for someone who's played so much poker and does so well, e-run can be a bit of a rude, moaning ****, wouldn't you agree?
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    07-17-2013 , 01:38 PM
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    Originally Posted by Brunolf
    this call doesn't seem right to me even though pot odds are great due to blinds... can someone please tell me if that's a correct call and I'll have to study some more


      Poker Stars, $14.41 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 12 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 4 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18459021

      SB: 290 (2.4 bb)
      BB: 657 (5.5 bb)
      CO: 1,454 (12.1 bb)
      Hero (BTN): 599 (5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 6 4 Q
      CO folds, Hero raises to 587 and is all-in, SB folds, BB calls 467

      Flop: (1,282) 8 4 K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: (1,282) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: (1,282) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 1,282 pot
      Final Board: 8 4 K T 7
      BB showed 5 9 4 8 and won 1,282 (683 net)
      Hero showed Q 6 4 Q and lost (-599 net)



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      It's close. Villain's equity is about one fifth worse than yours, and he has already put in about one fifth of his stack as the big blind.

      ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
      1,086,008 trials (Exhaustive)
      Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
      5s 9d 4h 8c 43.79% 312,582378,1664,215417,04835,208
      Qs 6h 4d Qh56.21% 454,591703,6274,215144,91235,208

      To be exact: 4bb to call 6bb = villain needs 66.67% equity for calling.
      He's got 43.79/56.21 = 77.9%. Appears to be a clear call for villain.

      Last edited by plaaynde; 07-17-2013 at 02:06 PM.
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      07-17-2013 , 02:14 PM
      Timed out, apparently my calculation wasn't right, after all. It may be comparing pears and apples. Maybe it should be like this: with 4bb to call for trying to win a total pot of 10bb villain needs an equity of 40% or more. He's got 43.79%. Still a call for villain, but much closer than above. I'd bet this is the correct version

      Edit 2: forgot about the dead money, the small blind. We have 4bb for calling to try to win a total pot of 10.5bb. That is a needed equity of only 4/10.5 = 38.1%. Looks really good for Villain, looks he has a real edge by calling Hero's all-in.

      Last edited by plaaynde; 07-17-2013 at 02:31 PM.
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      07-17-2013 , 03:40 PM
      This is not a cash game... This is a SnG you can't use a cEV calculation to justify
      a call and can't use QQ64 as BU pushing range. If BU is pushing QQ64 he is
      pushing at least everything better than QQ64 too and maybe a lot of worse hands too.

      Back to your question Brunolf, it depends on what range villain gives you, but it
      could be profitable.
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      07-17-2013 , 04:27 PM
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      Originally Posted by BadAstronaut
      I must say, for someone who's played so much poker and does so well, e-run can be a bit of a rude, moaning ****, wouldn't you agree?
      huh? what did I do?

      I had my worst session in 1.5 months today and don't remember saying anything rude. Is this a level? the doing well part sure is

      Last edited by saman_come_on; 07-17-2013 at 04:37 PM. Reason: typos
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      07-17-2013 , 04:44 PM
      Not a level at all - you were just moaning in the chat box over very standard situations. It was far from the extent I've seen before (because wow poker brings out the worst in people) but I just was a bit surprised that you'd have that reaction to flips and all ins not going your way. And man you sucked out a good few times in the many games I have seen you play. Anyway, no biggie.

      This game is ****ing tilting and I'm taking a break for a few days. Grrrrrr. Can't win a flip, aces cracked a gazillion times, so over it right now - lost tons of buy-ins today. Enjoy, all ye of better temperament
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      07-17-2013 , 04:47 PM
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      Originally Posted by BadAstronaut
      I must say, for someone who's played so much poker and does so well, e-run can be a bit of a rude, moaning ****, wouldn't you agree?
      Is "e-run" one of the participants in pokerstars HyperSnG games?

      (I see that saman_come_on has "e-run" as a location). (Is "saman_come_on" the same person as "e-run"?)

      Buzz
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      07-17-2013 , 04:58 PM
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      Originally Posted by BadAstronaut
      Not a level at all - you were just moaning in the chat box over very standard situations. It was far from the extent I've seen before (because wow poker brings out the worst in people) but I just was a bit surprised that you'd have that reaction to flips and all ins not going your way. And man you sucked out a good few times in the many games I have seen you play. Anyway, no biggie.

      This game is ****ing tilting and I'm taking a break for a few days. Grrrrrr. Can't win a flip, aces cracked a gazillion times, so over it right now - lost tons of buy-ins today. Enjoy, all ye of better temperament
      Yep hypers are very swingy and tilting at times, taking a few days off might not be bad idea, I hope your luck turns around.
      And if i offended you in any shape or form i apologize even though i still have no idea what you're talking about. let's just drop it.

      @ Buzz
      yes, my PokerStars screen name is e-run73. my location is e-run because that's the way Iran should be pronounced!
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      07-17-2013 , 05:01 PM
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      Originally Posted by Buzz
      Is "e-run" one of the participants in pokerstars HyperSnG games?

      (I see that saman_come_on has "e-run" as a location). (Is "saman_come_on" the same person as "e-run"?)

      Buzz
      I think so. E-run is from Iran. Get it?
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      07-17-2013 , 05:05 PM
      Had they idea of playing 100 hypers today, far more then i am used to play, and am running bad not sure if this is normal swingy or just a exception can someone tell me?

      played 49 sngs
      964 hands
      16K under chip ev


      @ BadAstronaut i can understand someone saying something about my chat banter they prob right but dont think i have even seen e-run in chat, ever.
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      07-17-2013 , 05:12 PM
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      Originally Posted by appelonius
      Had they idea of playing 100 hypers today, far more then i am used to play, and am running bad not sure if this is normal swingy or just a exception can someone tell me?

      played 49 sngs
      964 hands
      16K under chip ev


      @ BadAstronaut i can understand someone saying something about my chat banter they prob right but dont think i have even seen e-run in chat, ever.
      Focus on your winnings. I gave up giving a **** about $ev in my poker tracker a long time ago. People get obsessed with their lines. The only line that matters is the $ one.
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      07-17-2013 , 05:28 PM
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      Originally Posted by saman_come_on
      @ Buzz
      yes, my PokerStars screen name is e-run73. my location is e-run because that's the way Iran should be pronounced!
      Thank you. Very clear.
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      Originally Posted by streityboy
      I think so. E-run is from Iran. Get it?
      Sort of. Thank you.

      Buzz
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      07-17-2013 , 06:49 PM
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      Originally Posted by streityboy
      Focus on your winnings. I gave up giving a **** about $ev in my poker tracker a long time ago. People get obsessed with their lines. The only line that matters is the $ one.

      I have to disagree with you all lines that give you information matter.
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      07-17-2013 , 06:52 PM
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      Originally Posted by appelonius
      I have to disagree with you all lines that give you information matter.
      Wrong. Do you know how badly Ev trackers are for 08? Obviously not. I do my own maths and they are way off. Multiple that by thousands of games and u have meaningless lines.
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      07-17-2013 , 07:12 PM
      He talked about cev and there should be nothing wrong with the numbers given.
      He wasn't talking about the adjusted winnings from SnG which are way off.
      Judging how you run by cEV numbers has multiple problems too, if you look at
      overall adj cEV won you overvalue big blind level, if you look at adj cEV/100
      you overvalue small blind level and both don't distinguish between how strong the
      icm bubble factor is. If you ran bad 3handed its worse than running bad hu and
      its way worse than running bad at 20/10 6handed.
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      07-18-2013 , 12:54 AM
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      Originally Posted by Macr0s_
      This is not a cash game... This is a SnG you can't use a cEV calculation to justify
      a call and can't use QQ64 as BU pushing range. If BU is pushing QQ64 he is
      pushing at least everything better than QQ64 too and maybe a lot of worse hands too.

      Back to your question Brunolf, it depends on what range villain gives you, but it
      could be profitable.
      True. We don't have the complete information before it's over.
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      07-18-2013 , 06:52 PM
      waterboa "the new wadzon" running insanely over ev once again today. I hope this guy sticks around for awhile.
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      07-18-2013 , 07:56 PM
      11k worth of hypers today which is almost surely my most of the year unfortunately its probably the worst I have run in a day also.

      Todays chip ev



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      07-18-2013 , 08:58 PM
      that happens when you use your ninja meditation skills to stop my rungood instead of concentrating on your own rungood, you bad voodoo zen mojo mf :O

      was up 1k then dropped 1,4k then went back to even. should´ve stopped my 2nd session after i won the first 3 or 4 allins in a row vs you...
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