I can use PPT instead. It's just more convenient to do the routine analyses directly in PT4. In some cases you have to use PPT anyway, when estimating how you would do when villain has an expected of 30% etc. Cards not shown in PT4 are handled as random hands, which of course usually isn't true if villain is the aggressor.

Guess they have developed the EV-analysis to be generally somehow accurate, the real money often is about as much above as under the EV-line, which speaks in favor of the EV-line.

The most important thing to know right now is that PT4 can't be trusted after the latest update. But I think it will be quite trustable after they fix it. EV has it's own variance, smaller though, therefore it is at least a better measurer than real money.

its not wrong for everybody. I am getting correct data ( version 4.10.4 ). I checked that a few times. I'm only getting that "less than 1 BB error " but it actually doesnt realy affect a longterm graph.

The problem started after the last update. I'm on 4.12.1 and apprently, you didn't update automatically. Don't update PT4 until this issue is resolved. Posting it directly in the PT4 forum might also help. Anyone up for that?

Meh.

I don't use a HUD and I upload hands through the tracker about once a month. Not sure why I have one tbh.

I think they should be banned.

ev calculation are messed up anyways, i ran -$7 ev in a 3.50 game, work that one out?

serious question..is it possible with new owners they will get banned? I really hope they do. I have never used HUD but used HM fro tracking cash games last year.

So hope they see sense and ban them.

This is either a complete level or you don't understand how $ ev works.

I don't think they will. Amaya can barely spell the word poker let alone comprehend how beneficial this could be.

i cant run more then my buy in, if i get it in 0% then i lose 3.50 cant lose any lower, only explination is that i doubled up when someone had less then 1bb so they didnt count, or it just fked up

No.

$ev is calculated based on the converted equity you have in a tournament.

For example, in a $7 tourney there is ~$40 prize pool, which when you start the game is equally distributed 6 ways.

The share of this prize pool then changes for each player based on the equity you have in the tournament which is determined by the relative stack sizes. For example when it is 3 handed the $40 is distributed 3 ways. Your stack size is converted to your determined share of 1st and 2nd place/your chances of 1st or 2nd to give you your $ev in the tourney.

It is therefore conceivable that you can have a reasonably high % of the prize pool and then lose a flip. The difference between your actual and expected $ev equity at the end of the hand is used to determine how good or bad you are running. You can therefore see that this can very easily lead to figures of +/- way beyond your buy in.

I searched for a link to try and explain it better than this (which wasn't hard!):

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/t...hreadid=298236

You see free advice plaayande. Also hoping this deed brings good Karma, or a less brutal downswing when my rungod(biood) ends.

isnt that based on icm though, expected value right? so how can i "expect" to lose more then my buy in or win more then 1st place, thats impossible.

the most i can lose is my buy in, the calculation was wrong coz of the stupid 1bb where it doesnt calculate

the link u sent just proves my point, thanks

See above. PM me. It's not impossible.

I either don't think you get it, or we are discussing some figure I have not heard of before. I am only aware of ev in regards to chips, and $ev (as explained above).

Please post what figure you are actually referring to or PM me.

its just coz my ev line went down $7 thats never happend before, i was playing a $3.5 and i didnt even get it in that far behind

Post/pm the hand and tracker calc I will try and help.

was a sng, its ok i know why it was like that, just stupid thats all, point is the ev line isnt that accurate

Guys, I think this is easier as it seems. AFAIK, PT4 adds $EV for every single hand, so getting it in bad 4-5 times while always winning will give values below the buy-in. Please tell me if I'm wrong here.

ive never seen that happen before thats all iven if i got it in 0% max my ev line was down was my buy in

Yes, because it was one hand where you wer all-in with 0% equity. Easy calculation. Imagine you get it in 10 hands in a row with 35% equity HU and win all hands. You might get a $EV which is lower than your buy-in.

easy to explain: just imagine your value of the sng is 3,5$ at the start, then you get it in with 50 %, you win that flip so your value will go to lets say 7$ while ur EV line will stay +-0 since it was a flip. so now you can get it in with 7$ value with 0% equity which will get ur total EV from 0 to -7$.

obv these numbers are not correct but this is how your EV can swing and its completely correct. deal with it.

need to win another 8k to go ahead of bokkie in all time o8 hyper net winnings

yeah i guess that makes sense, just seems a bit stupid reli,

how do u check all time winnings?

Where are you getting this from? In terms of 6 max NLO8 hypers Sharkscope has you 13k behind Bokkie and 18k behind me in all time NLO8 6 max hypers.

filtered for 6 max NLO8 hypers (satellites excluded)

The first ROI is average ROI and the second ROI is total ROI(Biood runs good).

Here are the stats for the 4 biggest winners all time.

Juicy_J_93 99,052 $0.58 $14.34 5.3% $57,912 3.9%

Bokkie87 59,246 $0.89 $20.87 5.4% $52,986 4.1%

Angribob 81,739 $0.51 $9.01 6.7% $41,928 5.5%

Biood1 78,418 $0.51 $9.83 5.3% $39,787 4.9%

seems like i filtered wrong then, need to check that again even better for my motivation if the gap is higher

edit: can confirm ur numbers !