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12-11-2014 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by biood1
why do highes amplitudes even matter ? so if you would be 1 mio over chipEV then you would still pretend to be 400k below because you have been at some point lol. you are 80-100k below bro.
Show me where I've ever said I'm 400k below? I only said I'm on actual STREAK of -400k chips under EV.. Ehhh
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12-11-2014 , 02:52 PM
i got it.
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12-11-2014 , 03:48 PM
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12-11-2014 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by biood1
i got it.
uff finally

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Originally Posted by johnniewalk
Omg.. That's the most shocking thing I've ever seen here
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12-11-2014 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ziemni0k
Omg.. That's the most shocking thing I've ever seen here
I've always assumed HM2 is broken.
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12-11-2014 , 05:43 PM
move up to where they respect ur downswing.
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12-11-2014 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by biood1
move up to where they respect ur downswing.
huh, lost in the german-english translation? Move up north... do they respect downswings up in the northern regions of the world? or do you mean move up in stakes?



Not looking for "respect" for my downswing, I just though it was funny that Ziemni0k was complaining about a 100k hand stretch of -ev. I havent been +ev all year according to HM2. lol

Last edited by johnniewalk; 12-11-2014 at 06:15 PM.
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12-11-2014 , 06:15 PM
hm2 isnt accurate tho, why i moved to pt4
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12-11-2014 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by alexmck123
hm2 isnt accurate tho, why i moved to pt4
I thought that PT4 had a known issue with all-in EV in multiway pots. I'm not entirely sure that either are accurate. Maybe I'll run PT4 ev line again when i get time... it takes like 24hrs to process 1million hands on PT4

So If HM2 isnt accurate is Ziemni0k actually on a +ev upswing?
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12-11-2014 , 06:32 PM
Since the last update of PT4 whenever I play O8 mtts/sngs the equities being used by PT4 are PLO equities and not O8. I emailed PT4 but they have not got back to me yet.

Anyone else on here having this same issue?
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12-11-2014 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
Since the last update of PT4 whenever I play O8 mtts/sngs the equities being used by PT4 are PLO equities and not O8. I emailed PT4 but they have not got back to me yet.

Anyone else on here having this same issue?
I recently got a wrong equity at PT4 as compared to PPT. The correct one is about 45%, PT4 gave 55%. That's the only one I've found so far.


    Poker Stars, $3.32 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 12 ante) No Limit Omaha H/L Tournament, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33318861

    Hero (BB): 1,262 (10.5 bb)
    BTN: 878 (7.3 bb)
    SB: 860 (7.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J 2 K Q
    BTN folds, SB raises to 848 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Results: 276 pot
    SB mucked and won 276 (144 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.

    Hero's hand is NOT 55% against a random hand as PPT4 says.

    Last edited by plaaynde; 12-11-2014 at 08:46 PM.
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    12-11-2014 , 11:21 PM
    Am I the only one who still uses holdem manager 1?
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    12-12-2014 , 04:08 AM
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    Originally Posted by Wallhallen
    Am I the only one who still uses holdem manager 1?
    I am so jealous. I would use that again in a heartbeat. Don't upgrade. I have used HM2 and PT4 and IMO they are nowhere near as simple or intuitive to use.
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    12-12-2014 , 06:56 AM
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    Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
    Since the last update of PT4 whenever I play O8 mtts/sngs the equities being used by PT4 are PLO equities and not O8. I emailed PT4 but they have not got back to me yet.

    Anyone else on here having this same issue?
    Yes, since the last update no low equity is calculated. Didn't know it was that easy to screw up a working system and let people manually re-import thousands of hands/tournaments afterwards.
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    12-12-2014 , 08:01 AM
    i just compared 3 all in equities with pro poker tools and they have all been the same as there. hands have been played yesterday
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    12-12-2014 , 05:05 PM
    As an example in this hand I was given 70% equity by PT4. It was not a hard thing for me to catch on to as my hud replays the hands with equities after the hands are played. Im running version v4.12.1 of PT4. Unfortunately there is still no word back from PT4 yet on the issue.

    PokerStars - $6.71+$0.29|10/20 Ante 2 NL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: 25 BB
    SB: 25 BB
    BB: 25 BB
    UTG: 25 BB
    MP: 25 BB
    Hero (CO): 25 BB

    6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has A 6 A 4

    UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 24.9 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 21.9 BB and is all-in

    Flop: (51.9 BB, 2 players) 4 9 5

    Turn: (51.9 BB, 2 players) J

    River: (51.9 BB, 2 players) 5

    Spoiler:
    UTG shows 3 9 A K (Two Pair, Nines and Fives)

    Hero shows A 6 A 4 (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)

    Hero wins 51.9 BB
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    12-12-2014 , 05:55 PM
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    Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
    As an example in this hand I was given 70% equity by PT4. It was not a hard thing for me to catch on to as my hud replays the hands with equities after the hands are played. Im running version v4.12.1 of PT4. Unfortunately there is still no word back from PT4 yet on the issue.
    These are the numbers I got for the hand I just posted when using Omaha Hi only in the Pro Poker Tools, which is the same as Poker Tracker 4 gave in the replayer, hand played December 10th:

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation[/URL]
    600,000 trials (Randomized)
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    Jh 2s Ks Qh54.81% 323,57410,527
    *45.19% 265,89910,527

    Here are the correct numbers:

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
    600,000 trials (Randomized)
    Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
    Jh 2s Ks Qh45.20% 208,922323,79910,50500
    *54.80% 265,696265,69610,505243,6600

    Is it only part of the hands that have Omaha Hi equities for you? It looks pretty confirmed I'm having the same problem. I will report here if I find another one, but will not be active at the tables for some days.

    Folding a 45% (against random) in my situation above is fine, would not fold a 55%.

    Last edited by plaaynde; 12-12-2014 at 06:05 PM.
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    12-12-2014 , 06:03 PM
    It's a problem for me on every hand.
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    12-12-2014 , 06:32 PM
    Found another one. I'm often looking at hands directly after finished playing, remember I was surprised at my equity dominance with the two Aces. PT4 is giving this:

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation[/URL]
    1,086,008 trials (Exhaustive)
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    Ad 5d Ac Jh69.00% 747,5143,678
    6s 2s Ah Tc31.00% 334,8163,678

    But the correct is a measly

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation[/URL]
    1,086,008 trials (Exhaustive)
    Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins HiTies HiWins Lo Ties Lo
    Ad 5d Ac Jh59.03% 462,047747,5143,678150,96017,352
    6s 2s Ah Tc40.97% 260,974334,8163,678401,79217,352

    Checked another hand. Omaha Hi equities there also.

    Checked another three hands. They are all Omaha Hi equities . Often they are running pretty close to Hi/Lo, must have been partly because of that I didn't detect it when reviewing some hands earlier.

    Really bad.
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    12-12-2014 , 06:51 PM
    Which is why posting graphs is mostly total bollox. I don't need a graph to know I am running ****e or running like genius (synonym for biood). ATM running @ 8% last 1k games - therefore running genius.

    **** graphs, play poker.

    Beer post btw.
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    12-13-2014 , 01:17 AM
    Equities is the basis of poker.


    We have been active:

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...l#post45517244
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    12-13-2014 , 07:20 AM
    So the equities are wrong on one/possibly all of the main tracking software systems and people are quoting how they are running on this basis....hmmm.
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    12-13-2014 , 07:38 AM
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    Originally Posted by johnniewalk
    I thought that PT4 had a known issue with all-in EV in multiway pots. I'm not entirely sure that either are accurate. Maybe I'll run PT4 ev line again when i get time... it takes like 24hrs to process 1million hands on PT4

    So If HM2 isnt accurate is Ziemni0k actually on a +ev upswing?
    yeah thats right, pt4 still has problems with pots when one player has less then 1 bb and doesnt count the hand, which is kind of stupid as lots that happens alot in hypers.

    he's probs not on an upswing but it wont be as bad as he is making out, my advice would be to ignore hm2 ev calculations completly n use pt4 for it,
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    12-13-2014 , 07:40 AM
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    Originally Posted by UnnaturalDisaster
    Since the last update of PT4 whenever I play O8 mtts/sngs the equities being used by PT4 are PLO equities and not O8. I emailed PT4 but they have not got back to me yet.

    Anyone else on here having this same issue?
    nope im not having this proplem, not sure if i installed the update though...

    im having problems with the hud being in the wrong place tho, since i moved to ps uk version,

    tho saying that em ev line was ****ed up the other day even though my steal% was like 55%
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    12-13-2014 , 07:46 AM
    im still running version 11.8 so im all good can you not revert back to last update?

    duno why mine didnt update ive got it set to automatic update lol og wel gg me

    Last edited by alexmck123; 12-13-2014 at 08:00 AM.
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