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Originally Posted by Buzz
My understanding from reading is the skills involved are
• knowing how to take advantage of the tournament structure,
• being able to recognize mistakes in opponent play, and
• knowing how to take advantage of opponent mistakes.
If that is correct, then it seems to me quite a lot of skill is involved.
Buzz
That IS correct, gramps, but then again those 3 things are applicable to ANY game of poker.
The major difference and adjustment between 6m hyper and other games is the hand ranges pre-flop. In this format, and the rule holds stronger the higher the stakes, 90% of all play is shove/fold pre.
Put it this way - bokkie and biood are touting juicy as the best 6m hyper player. Well, in THOUSANDS OF GAMES OVER YEARS, I have never once seen juicy J put in a raise. Seriously, not one single raise. None of these guys can talk about post-flop play as theirs is non-existent.
This to me is HIGHLY exploitable as part of the rationale for the bluntness of this strategy is so that they can make their moves and forget about it, moving on to play another 10 hands simultaneously. It means that an observer like me multi-tabling the same games as a biood or juicy, gets a huge insight into the temporal mindset of the opposition - i.e. at parts of the day these kinda players will literally shove any 4 from position (shove when FTA a stupid % with any 4). At times button and SB shove is 100% and when short or in aggro-mode, I never cease to be amazed at the consistency of the 2 3 4 X utg shove.
Sure, there are benefits to this uber-tard strategy (if you run good, man, you will destroy everybody in record time) and aggression will always steamroller weaker players but, I don't even know why this needs explaining - If you RAISED with muck from position rather than SHOVED, well, a fair proportion of the time players don't really consider your bet, they fold/shove according to their hand strength, AND, the times you get caught with re-shoves don't cost your entire stack, AND, if you DO GET CAUGHT, this sets it up perfectly for the next time you raise (as opposed to shove) with premium hands.
Simply the strategy employed by these "greats" of 6m is careless, predictable, belligerent and exploitable.
I have played with every o8 reg posting in this forum and everybody that has ever played an o8 hyper > $15. I have them all tagged. And my record against them stacks up with anybody (even the greatest biood!). I have an ROI somewhere in the region of 5% in 6m, oh, and one time juicy posted a graph just of HU play between him and me. What did it show? It showed many thousands of instances where I got in ahead and to my utter amazement, it showed me holding > expectations (this was only HU). So juicy simply cannot be the best as I own him. I can tell you his hands, how he plays them. Seriously, in games I state his hand before I call and I get it right 100% of the time. It's like these "greats" live in a bubble whereby if they shove first, they win and are expected to win, regardless of the skillset or cards of the opposition. In every format of o8, I have owned juicy, even though overall he has been massively + EV vs me. I'd say if I could beat Money Mayweather with one hand tied behind my back, people might say I am a better boxer than he is.
But ANYWAY. There are only a handful of 6m players who have ever caused me the problem of being UNSURE of what they held. These players included bokkie87, janiosmo and vandir4rek. Guys who actually exhibit some level of SKILL, use READS, play post-flop sometimes, make hero calls and hero bluffs AS WELL as showing ultra aggression.
One more thing. Let's assume for a moment that biood's ability is 100, yours is 70 and you start multi-tabling some 6m. You sit at 3 tables, biood sits at 15. Even though you aren't as good as him, you have much more time to study the villains, game flow and your own plays. Multi-tabling is a bit of an equaliser and I am always DELIGHTED to know guys have so little respect for me and others than they do 20 tables when I do 8.
Despite all this, I don't play hypers any more because I can't beat the game. I just don't run good enough. What makes me REALLY ANGRY is reading from folks who think they are God's gift, who believe that they have some sort of control or influence over the running of cards due to their "superior" skill sets. All of us have had some pretty horrendous downswings in this game - what bokkie, juicy, wadzon etc have lost in sessions or months, meh, not for me in this crapshoot game - so when biood keeps boasting, I just smile and remind myself that it WILL happen to him too at some point. When he runs 10000 games and only cashes in 1000 of them, has lost $20K in a month, can't believe what the **** is going on. All it will take is 1-2 regs to sit in 6m and run better than biood. Doesn't make a dam bit of difference how amazing or otherwise biood plays, he will get his ass handed to him. Biood, if you are reading this, please stop proclaiming your greatness and making predictions like, "gonna win 20 SC leaderboards next year", as your fate is not your own............