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Old 09-03-2017, 12:52 AM   #1
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Nut low on the turn... Fixed Limit O8

SB is generic reg...


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $1/$2 Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): 20.33 BB
CO: 36.2 BB (VPIP: 33.78, PFR: 20.36, 3Bet Preflop: 6.58, Hands: 230)
BTN: 38.1 BB (VPIP: 56.26, PFR: 32.53, 3Bet Preflop: 10.35, Hands: 1,208)
SB: 113.27 BB (VPIP: 29.04, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 7.98, Hands: 3,175)
BB: 25.69 BB (VPIP: 35.50, PFR: 18.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.11, Hands: 203)

SB posts SB 0.25 BB, BB posts BB 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 0.75 BB) Hero has A J 4 3

Hero calls 0.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 1 BB, SB calls 0.75 BB, fold, Hero calls 0.5 BB

Flop: (3.5 BB, 3 players) K 2 8
SB bets 0.5 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB, fold

Turn: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 5 SB Bets 1 BB...

Hero?
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Old 09-03-2017, 01:00 AM   #2
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Re: Nut low on the turn...

Assuming Fixed Limit game?

Raise 100%.

The only decision is whether to insta-raise, smooth raise or tank raise. (Not sure those are actually things BTW). But it's a raise.


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Old 09-03-2017, 01:05 AM   #3
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Re: Nut low on the turn...

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Assuming Fixed Limit game?

Raise 100%.

The only decision is whether to insta-raise, smooth raise or tank raise. (Not sure those are actually things BTW). But it's a raise.


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Hmmm. I agree, but lets assume we are five years old, and 'splain it out exactly. We raise because....
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Old 09-03-2017, 01:54 AM   #4
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Re: Nut low on the turn...

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Hmmm. I agree, but lets assume we are five years old, and 'splain it out exactly. We raise because....

We are guaranteed to win the lo or part of the lo on all possible runouts
Unless villain has a3 and a better hi, hero is pushing an equity advantage
villain should have the same lo something like 1/20 times
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Old 09-03-2017, 03:24 AM   #5
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Re: Nut low on the turn...

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villain should have the same lo something like 1/20 times
i interpret this as villain should have A3** (not specifically A34*) approximately 5% of the time.
I was hoping you would explain how you come to that conclusion.


fwiw, simulating for a 4 handed deal accounting for the card removal of the 4 board cards and hero's actual hand, someone other then hero gets dealt A3 ~15% of the time. if we assume A3 gets played preflop and not folded on the flop then we can assume if it was dealt it was dealt to sb.
using ppt ranges and assuming that he has a 3-bet range of his strongest hands i would conclude A3 is around 20% of his range.
so 5% seems rather low and hence why i inquire.

btw, i don't think it has an impact on the advice to raise.
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Old 09-03-2017, 04:28 AM   #6
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Re: Nut low on the turn... Fixed Limit O8

with regard to my post above
Nevermind!

you obviously think he's completed with a very wide range.

the tracker stats indicate otherwise, but who knows how many of those hands were shorthanded.
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Old 09-03-2017, 05:33 AM   #7
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Re: Nut low on the turn... Fixed Limit O8

Just checked and 5% could be too low, 10-15% may be more realistic, though really I think leading the flop with a lot of a3 combinations is incorrect, I think call or xr will tend to be better

But even when villain has a better a3 raising is only a small mistake, it will cost something like .25bb after calling a reraise (assuming villain puts in another bet)

Edit: in conclusion, I think if villain is playing optimally on flop he should not have a3 more than 10% on turn.. that's not even getting into the many a3 hands play better as a 3! Vs button range

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