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NLO8/25: We bet our full house and get raised on the turn NLO8/25: We bet our full house and get raised on the turn

03-24-2012 , 05:44 PM
Villain is

29 VPIP
0,9 PFR
0,0 3-bet
19% Postflop Aggr.
WTSD 27,6 %
W@SD 47,6

over 231 hands.

I haven´t played much vs him, so no reads apart from the stats.


    Merge, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Omaha H/L Cash, 7 Players
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    MP2: $16.89 (67.6 bb)
    MP3: $35.82 (143.3 bb)
    CO: $22.08 (88.3 bb)
    Hero: $31.96 (127.8 bb)
    BTN: $19.34 (77.4 bb)
    SB: $18.46 (73.8 bb)
    BB: $15.62 (62.5 bb)
    MP1: $25 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is with 8 4 2 A
    MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.80, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.55, MP3 calls $0.55

    Flop: ($2.75) K 2 2 (3 players)
    MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $1.37, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1.37

    Turn: ($5.49) 8 (2 players)
    MP3 checks, Hero bets $2.74, MP3 raises to $13.71

    Spoiler:
    Results: $10.97 pot ($0.54 rake)
    Final Board: K 2 2 8
    MP3 mucked and won $10.43 ($5.52 net)
    Hero mucked 8 4 2 A and lost (-$4.91 net)
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    03-24-2012 , 09:13 PM
    Can't argue too much with the fold vs. described player. I sometimes check this flop though, for pot control, and to widen the types of hands that wil get money in on the turn when a low draw appears.
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    03-24-2012 , 09:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tiltnonstop
    Villain is

    29 VPIP
    0,9 PFR
    0,0 3-bet
    19% Postflop Aggr.
    WTSD 27,6 %
    W@SD 47,6

    over 231 hands.

    I haven´t played much vs him, so no reads apart from the stats.


    [converted_hand][hand_history]Merge, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Omaha H/L Cash, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    MP2: $16.89 (67.6 bb)
    MP3: $35.82 (143.3 bb)
    CO: $22.08 (88.3 bb)
    Hero: $31.96 (127.8 bb)
    BTN: $19.34 (77.4 bb)
    SB: $18.46 (73.8 bb)
    BB: $15.62 (62.5 bb)
    MP1: $25 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is with 8 4 2 A
    MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.80, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.55, MP3 calls $0.55

    Flop: ($2.75) K 2 2 (3 players)
    MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $1.37, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1.37

    Turn: ($5.49) 8 (2 players)
    MP3 checks, Hero bets $2.74, MP3 raises to $13.71
    Meh... 88** seems hard to believe. But did MP3 slow play KK** or K2** for one round? Or does MP3 have something else, some combination of a deuce, a heart draw, a club draw, and/or a low draw?
    (maybe something like A23*, A24*, A25, 234* or 235* with hearts and/or clubs)

    Hard to know from here. He's your opponent. Since you bet half the pot on the turn, he might be reading you for not much of a fit, and playing you accordingly.

    I can see why you had second thoughts about folding this (and thus posted the hand history).

    What does "W@SD" mean? (W??? at show down).

    Buzz
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    03-25-2012 , 12:52 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Buzz
    What does "W@SD" mean? (W??? at show down)
    It means Won At Showdown, it's the percentage of hands won out of hands shown down. (I'm not sure how 'won' is defined regarding split pots!)
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    03-25-2012 , 12:05 PM
    When you have more dollars after the hand than before, you won. That's the way how at least HEM works.
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    03-25-2012 , 11:57 PM
    im not folding
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    03-26-2012 , 12:09 AM
    MP had KK and wasn't worried about low yet, after turn wanted you to risk for split pot; at least thats how I woulda played it.
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    03-26-2012 , 12:20 AM
    Villain seems awfully nitty as described. Kinda gross but I think you can fold to this player
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    03-26-2012 , 03:58 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SexOnOmahaBeach
    When you have more dollars after the hand than before, you won. That's the way how at least HEM works.
    So if it's a 50-50 split you lose? (both players lose half of the rake cap)
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    03-26-2012 , 03:58 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by adacan
    im not folding
    what do you think he has?
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    03-26-2012 , 12:39 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kittens
    So if it's a 50-50 split you lose? (both players lose half of the rake cap)
    Both players will lose exactly that amount only when it is SB vs BB and any other players folded to the blinds, and only if the pot was big enough to have a rake cap. Typically you will divide other people's money or sometimes have a rake amount lower than the cap.
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    03-26-2012 , 08:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kittens
    what do you think he has?
    With 2 flush draws and a low draw out there I think a very wide range of hands most of them being 2xxx. ya it sucks when he has kk or a2k. but I think its way wider wide than that.
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    03-27-2012 , 12:09 AM
    ^ ok. The check-call, check-raise line is pretty rare in PLO8 , if villain was a holdem player or something then yeah; but from a regular O8 player I would give them a much stronger range here (they would realise that check-calling or leading the turn is a better play if they didn't have a boat already)
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    03-27-2012 , 11:08 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kittens
    (they would realise that check-calling or leading the turn is a better play if they didn't have a boat already)
    I don't realise that and I don't want to.
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    03-27-2012 , 05:01 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by amok
    I don't realise that and I don't want to.
    Well, you're better than most players I would be more inclined to call against good aggressive players who can make a move on this board (altho I would take a lot of factors into account including the 'gut feeling')
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    03-27-2012 , 06:26 PM
    What I mean, Kittens, is that if villain plays only KK this way, he is doing it wrong.

    To OP: vs the described player, folding is correct. It's a pretty important skill to be able to bet-fold such hands vs players with no imagination.
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    03-28-2012 , 08:48 AM
    he has kk or k2 most times here good fold
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    03-28-2012 , 09:16 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kittens
    ^ ok. The check-call, check-raise line is pretty rare in PLO8
    The hand was played at a no limit table.
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    03-29-2012 , 04:52 PM
    ^ yeah I mean "PLO8 or NLO8", tedious writing it out all the time
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