I think you can give them ranges, like top 10% or top 25% of starting hands ... but others can comment on this issue, I never use it for that.

By they way, 7-8-9-J is a really bad hand to play passively from late position as you did. A beginner probably would do best to fold it pre-flop; but if you're going to play it as above, I would raise it pre. You might steal the pot there, and if you don't, it's unlikely a competent player can put you on that hand so if you hit the flop you may get paid off handsomely.

Is OMaha 08 still really soft? can you make a lot of money at it? Grind cash games and make a decent profit maybe like 100 or 200 a week? Any strategy articles that are really good? are there a lot of regs at 08 now? Any or all answers to these questions would be appreciated thanks so much

Hello, I´m a new member from this forum, first of all sorry for my english, I´m from Spain and i must improve it.

I have been playing NLOmaha8 25-50 during last 5 months, now i think that I should use a HUD to improve my game so i have bought Omaha Manager but i didn´t found a guide or something similar where the correct configuration was explained and which are the common or regular statistics in this game.

If someone know something I woluld be greated.

Welcome to the forum.

http://faq.holdemmanager.com/

Buzz

I guess it depends who you play with.

I guess it depends how good you are.

I think some people do that well. More fail.

I think so. Seek and ye shall find.

Depends on what you mean by a lot. Texas hold 'em is the most popular poker game and will probably remain so for a long time.

Buzz

I agree with the above. If you want to play 789J 4-handed, it is important to see the flop heads-up, so raising is a better option. If three players saw the flop with this hand, you would probably be toast.

I also think that if you are learning PLO8, you should start out playing full tables, adopt a smaller range of starting hands, and the expand them as you become more proficient. Other more experienced in online play may disagree.

jmo

How many post are necesary to send private messages??

Thank You

I don't know.

Apparently there has been a problem with spammers using the private message system, and the best way to control them seems to be to not allow new members to send private messages.

I'm not privy to the details, and evidently those who are do not want the details disclosed. The following is from the FAQ for the "About The Forums" forum and may make matters clearer for you:
Buzz

OK, thank you for you answer.

just began playing this game and have understood most of it except one thing.

let's say my starting hand is a234 (non suited) and the flop shows 5 8 3.

Now I have a pair of 33 but I could also use two other cards from my starting-hand and get a A-2-4-5-8 which is a low hand.

My question is now - since I got the pair, does that nullify my low hand automatically or can I neglect the pair and use two other cards from my starting hand to use the low hand to win the pot?

if u have a234 on board 853 u have a pair of 3s with an a2358 low. you have to use 2 cards from your hand for the high and have to use 2 cards for the low if a low is possible. you can use whatever 2 cards for the high and whatever 2 cards for the low. so this case for the low you would take the two lowest cards in your hand that are not paired on the board. that would be the a and 2 so you would have a a2358 for the low

No. Reading it from high down to low, and counting ace as lowest possible, you have 8532A for low with counterfeit protection.

Three possibilities:
• The two cards you use to make low may also be used to make high. (This utilizes only two of your four cards).
• Two cards may be used for low and one of them along with a different card may be used for high. (This utilizes three of your four cards).
• Two cards may be used for low and two different cards may be used for high. (This utilizes all four of your cards).

Thanks for responding, nyy214. You got it right. I just wanted to explain it in a slightly different manner.

Buzz

so despite making a pair I could still have a low hand to win the low?
does the same apply if I make a three of a kind or two pairs ; would I still be able to use two of my starting cards to make the low hand as well?

It doesn;t matter whether you make a set, two pair, straights or w/e, you can always use 2 cards to make a lo if the board and your cards permit it.

Lets say you get dealt A267, and the board runs out 345KQ.

In this instance you would use your 6 & 7 to make a 34567 high hand, and your A2 to make 5432A for your low hand.

Now say you get dealt A289, and the board runs out 345KQ.

You would now use your A2 to make your high hand of A2345, and you would use your A2 again to make your low hand of 5432A. The 8 and 9 are not used at all.

Does this help you?

yes it does! I was unsure whether i could use two cards to make a low hand if two of my cards would also make a high hand....but now I understand that despite what high hand I make I can always make a low hand as well - even if my high hand is a "four of a kind"

I play FR Limit.

As a novice, is it a mistake to always enter the pot with a raise. It seems counterintuitive to limp atm. I understand some reasons to limp, but if I'm not 100% comfortable with my post flop play am I passing up opportunites to win bigger pots?

I understand position.

I think it depends on how your opponents react.

If raising whenever you enter the action causes opponents to fold trash hands they should fold, but other wise would play, in other words if it causes them to play more correctly, then I suppose raising is a mistake.

But if raising makes your opponents to play more incorrectly, then raising seems better than limping.

I'm not sure what you mean by "counterintuitive." Do you mean limping is the correct way to play contrary to what would be the intuitive way to play? If so, what is the intuitive way to play?

Maybe something is intuitive to you that isn't intuitive to me. More likely I simply don't understand your meaning.

Gee, I don't know. Maybe.

I think it depends on what you're doing and how your opponents are reacting.

Buzz

I just meant that coming from Hold Em it gets drilled in to you that limping is bad, so adjusting to actually doing this a lot of the time just seems strange at the moment.

I didn;t ask my question very well, it was late and after one too many!

LO8 game, $4/$8 with a half kill.

lots of loose players, lots playing high only hands btw..

thanks..

I understand.

I believe the value of your starting hand is more dependent on the flop in Omaha-8 than in Texas hold 'em and this difference in dependence on the flop gives rise to a difference in how to optimally play (fold, limp, or raise) before the flop.

There also various other factors involved in pre-flop play. In addition to a greater dependence on the flop, in order to be optimally successful at any poker table, you should always give consideration to the way the particular opponent(s) you're facing are playing. In addition, when you have opponents who are trying to read you, some consideration should be given to mixing up your play somewhat so as to be difficult to read.

Bottom line: I believe optimal play in Omaha-8 and Texas hold ‘em is similar in some ways but different in other ways. One of the distinct differences involves pre-flop play (folding, limping, or raising).

I hasten to add that I don’t think everyone agrees with me.

Buzz

Welcome to the forum.

Are you asking what your bank roll should be to play in a $4/$8 with half-kill cash game Omaha-8?

If so, it’s hard to answer your question sensibly. A bank roll is a reserve of money a professional poker player has in order to withstand streaks of bad luck, so as not to go broke. I think the answer has some dependence on your skill level and perhaps various other factors.

Here’s a reference to one of the many threads in this forum related to the topic of bank rolls:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...ts-lo8-211065/

You also might try googling “Omaha-8 bank roll”

I hope that helps.

Buzz

I'm lucky in that Parx actually now has Omaha 8 games going. These hands came from the 4/8 limit game (with 1/2 kill), although they also are getting an 8/16 game that I'm looking to move up to. The game I was in yesterday was very loose, passive, and involved lots of hands where several people went all the way to the river, often with no good reason that I could detect. Yummy! But, high variance as well. No point in bluffing here, or trying anything fancy, that I can see.

My background is in NLHE, and I know enough to realize that what works in Hold 'em won't necessarily work in Omaha - but I don't know enough to know what's necessarily good or not in this game.

Here are a couple of starting hands that I picked up yesterday, and I'm wondering if my thinking is correct them.

Comments please. Thank you.

9 9 10 4 and similar hands. No real low here, and I'm wondering if set mining really makes sense for a hand like this, and similar type hands. Is it worth the limp in (or perhaps calling one raise) since I'm likely to only be playing for 1/2 the pot? Especially since straights and/or flushes happen so often? I don't know.

What about a hand such as QQxx? Again, with no low or flush draw. Is this playable, really, in O8?

Just how good are even AAxx and KKxx hands, with no good low and no flush possibilities? Should they just be limped in O8? Especially out of position?

Thanks in advance.

Lee

u don´t want to ever play T994 it´s just way too crappy.
QQxx depends what the other cards are, if it´s QQ94 don´t think about it. if it´s QQJT yea it´s playable. u will miss most of the flops but if you hit u often hit big so in a lose game it´s def playable then.
AAxx is not the same as in HE but usually still good however AA79os etc. multiway is crap for example. KKxx same as QQ depends what the other cards are.
hope that helps a bit.

As a rule of thumb, don't look to set mine. You're looking for connectedness, suitedness etc. AAxx and KKxx are perfectly playable if the other two cards do well for your hand, but otherwise, they're not really worth the effort to play hard.