76,532 is lower than 76,541. If that's all there was to it, then the dealer made a mistake. Dealer mistakes are not uncommon and usually when it happens someone at the table will say something.

I'm surprised your opponent did not immediately point out the dealer error.

(As AKQJ10 has pointed out, anyone noticing has an ethical obligation to point out the dealer error). (That means you too).

Perhaps nobody else noticed... or perhaps nobody who noticed wanted to offend you, or perhaps anyone who noticed thought (incorrectly) everyone is responsible for knowing his/her own hand.

The rule is "cards speak."

Buzz

A guy pointed out the "error" when the pot was first shoved to the 32, then it got redirected to me. I sat their puzzling, thinking I must have missed something. About a third of the dealers at El Dorado Shreveport are so unsure of the game they just do whatever the players tell them. Then the players start telling all the dealers how to quarter and the competent 2/3 get annoyed.

I heard a dealer who used to work across the river at the Horseshoe say how less uptight El Dorado is to work for, but we see the result. I wish the game ran consistently at the Shoe.

Hi I am sort of new to 08. I am thinking about getting into it because I am sick of constantly running way below ev in heads up hypers. I have watched a few of Dansazmacks videos on deucescracked so I have a basic idea. I have a few questions. All of these questions are for limit 6 max 08.

1. What kind of win rate can a player expect in limit 08 6 max at various stakes. (0.25/0.50,0.50/1,1/2,3/6,5/10 etc) .The games on stars seem really soft at all small stakes levels so I'm imagining a high win rate will be achievable.

2. Why don't more people play the games considering they are so soft? Is it due to lack of games running or how slow the game is compared to limit holdem or both?

3. What training material is out there for learning the games besides the videos I have already mentioned?

4. Would you recommend using a hud for 08 or can I get by without one?

5. Who is the best 6 max and heads up 08 player in the world at the moment?

A lot of your questions are answered in this thread.

Chuckle. When I saw your separate thread I knew niss would move it here. I like to make sure newbs get their questions answered. In this case, I don't feel well qualified to answer your questions... but I'll give it a shot. And perhaps someone else will provide different answers for you.

I think it depends on how skilled you are, relative to your opponents.

Are Omaha-8 games "soft"? (I think some are and some aren't). But to try to answer your question, I think different people have different motivations. Not all individuals play poker "to make money."

For example, I don't. I play because I like to compete. For years (until I had to get a cortisone shot in the shoulder after every round) I played golf. Every once in a while I'd make par for a hole or hit a nice shot, but mostly I was a terrible golfer. And golf is an expensive game.

I loved the game of golf, but rarely played a round by myself. What I enjoyed was simply competing, win or lose. Make no mistake... I played to win... I wanted to win, and the game of golf wasn't much fun for me when there wasn't a small wager involved. But win or lose, I had a good time playing golf.

And I think that's what I enjoy about poker... the competition. I try to win. I want to win. I enjoy myself more when I win... and, unlike golf, at least I'm good at cards.

Anyhow, I think I play poker because I like to compete.

I prefer Omaha-8 to Texas hold 'em, because I think Omaha-8 is more interesting. However, if I wanted to make money playing poker, I'd play no-limit Texas hold 'em.

But everybody is not like me. Other individuals have their own reasons for playing poker. I think some simply like to gamble.

Casinos are in business to make money. And because Omaha-8 is necessarily slower than Texas hold 'em, they can make more money from the faster game. Accordingly, casinos make getting a seat in Texas hold 'em games easier than getting a seat in an Omaha-8 game. (That's what I think). And based on the number of tables at play, most individual poker players evidently prefer the faster paced, less complex game.

There are some books. (See our forum book containment thread.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...thread-737104/

There's usually an article about Omaha-8 in the monthly 2+2 on-line magazine. Here’s a link to the article starting the current beginner’s series:
http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/i...tter-poker.php

The February article relates more to limit-Omaha-8 than no-limit-Omaha-8, but it presents some fundamental concepts you might want to know.

hud = heads up display?

Whatever “hud” means, I’ve never used it.

Me?

Ha, ha... just kidding.

Don’t I wish...

However, honestly I think there are some better Omaha-8 players than I am who post on this forum.

Buzz

Just read a couple of the wells linked in the OP. Good stuff.

Did the TxRedMan v TStoneMBD heads-up match ever happen?

I agree.

I don't know.

Tex is an interesting guy and still occasionally posts on 2+2, but has not posted on this forum for a while. (Neither has TStone). I don't know why.

Buzz

Where would be the best place to find information about FL Plo8?

I don't get what you mean by "FL Plo8."

("FL" means "fixed-limit" to me, while "Pl" means "pot-limit" to me).

Buzz

I meant limit high/low

We label threads that are specifically limit high/low with a .

Reading a book about Omaha-8 is a good place to start. Different individuals who post here have different opinions as the the value of different books. Here's a link to a thread dedicated to Omaha-8 books.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...thread-737104/

There's currently a series in the 2+2 online magazine that may be helpful to you. Here's a link to the first article of the series:
http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/i...tter-poker.php

I think this forum is also a good place to get information. Look for the threads that are labeled with a . Threads that are labeled with a are specifically about limit (also called "fixed-limit") Omaha-8 situations.

You're welcome to start threads of your own or to participate in threads that already exist. Feel free to ask questions if you have any.

Buzz

Thank you, any U.S. sites that have this game?

You're welcome.

Yes.

Here's a link that may help you find where live games are located:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...games-1053363/

Buzz

Experienced players, what's your VPIP range, full table fixed limit?

In live play I don't have an automated tracker. Hopefully you already consider position, who's already in the pot, what you expect the people behind to do. So why don't you create a hypothetical situation of interest and we can talk about specific ranges we'd play there?

Different winning players have different winning styles, and how loosely/tightly someone plays depends on who else is at the table... but in general, as I recall, winning VPIP ranges in full table fixed-limit that have been posted in the past are between 20% and 30%.

That's not to say someone could not play tighter or looser and not be a winning player. It's also not to say everyone with a VPIP of between 20% and 30% is a winning player. That's just what I recall as being the VPIP of winning players when long-time multiple player data has been posted.

Buzz

Which book or series or articles contain the basic fundamentals of hi low omaha?

I guess the answer depends on what you think the basic fundamentals of hi low Omaha are.

I see that you know where our dedicated book thread is located. You might read the opinions of posters, including mine, in that thread.

Alternately, I'm currently writing a series of beginner articles for the 2+2 on-line magazine. You might start with the February issue
http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/i...tter-poker.php
and follow along from month to month. If you have questions, please post them in this forum. If you do, you'll probably get my response and possibly also the responses of other posters.

Being an Omaha-8 beginner doesn't have anything to do with math ability or background. Some Omaha-8 beginners are good in math while others are poor. Poker, including Omaha-8, is a gambling game where you can have either favorable or unfavorable odds. Knowing whether the odds are favorable or unfavorable is, for me, a big part of the game and involves math.

Consequently, although I'm not a mathematician, some of the stuff I write involves math. Since readers have different math backgrounds and abilities, some will easily follow the math while others may have difficulty understanding the math.

Anyhow, I invite you to read the series of beginner's articles for Omaha-8 in the monthly 2+2 magazine - and if there's something you don't understand, feel free to post a question about it in this forum.

I should point out that everyone who posts in this forum does not advocate using the same playing style. Different individuals who post here have different opinions and sometimes offer contrary advice as how to best play the game of Omaha-8. You have to decide for yourself what advice is best for you.

Buzz
(Frank Jerome)

hi,

Thx for your great response. indepth ..
I was looking to get a good book which conctains basicly all the fundaments i need to play omaha hi low fundamentally right.
I mean to get a gasp of the game and to understand what i am doing and why.

Just thought a book is the way to go because it contains everything intead of articles i have to wait month to month to get one more piece.
Obv articles are fine and good too but not an alternative to an book.

Speaking in methapors the book is the meal and the article just those little snacks.

hehe
After some time i got the idea of odds. Seems like it is basicly the most important factor in pooker in general.

By

What answers are you looking for here that you wouldn't find on the book thread?

(And actually I'm not sure where the book thread is located. Is it on a different forum?)

There's a whole forum dedicated to "books and publications."

Here's a link to a thread in that forum that pertains to Omaha-8:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33...dvice-1453134/

Here's a link to the dedicated book thread in this forum that pertains to Omaha-8:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...thread-737104/
72 different individuals have contributed to our dedicated book thread, some of them asking questions and others answering questions. Since you're an important contributor to this forum, your input to that thread would be appreciated.

Buzz

You're welcome.

That makes good sense to me.

That makes good sense to me too.

I've submitted the little snacks for the next two months. Here's a link to the April article:
http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/i...r-poker-p3.php

I believe reading one's opponents (while keeping one's own play unreadable) is basically the most important part of the game. Knowing something about odds helps one make the choices involved in reading one's opponents.

Bye.

Buzz

I was sure if the was worthy of starting a thread over so here is my question:

I play at a local brick and mortar in Rock Island. It is a 4/8 Dealer Choice limit..so one round is O8 and the other round is Hold Em. My question is I have noticed the first two hours of play. I am usually way up in money. For example, I would buy in for $100 and be up $200. However the next two hours, I seemed to lose most of it or all of it. Should I quit at a two hour mark? Perhaps my concentration is waning after two hours.

A little about the table, it is made up of regulars. They are all older players. They love to draw to the low. I would say most are weak players. It isn't unusual to see five people in a flop, which given the stakes I am going to assume is not uncommon in this type of game.

Also, is ABC style the best play at this table? I do understand card strength for O8. I may be leaving out some important information. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Short answer
It is overwhelmingly likely that this is just a small-sample phenomenon. Don't worry about it. Time spent worrying about statistical noise is time spent not improving your game.

Longer answer
If you're really concerned, try to measure your performance by controllable process-related metrics, not random outcomes. How many mistakes can you count in your first hour at the table? What about your third? Are you being as observant in your third hour as in your first?

Yes, as you describe them ABC is probably close to optimal. As you gain more experience you'll find some profitable deviations from ABC, but not many.

Yes. At least take a break to refresh yourself.

Perhaps.

That may have something to do with you blood sugar level. (It does with me). Or maybe not... Whatever. Take a break and perhaps get a bite to eat or take a twenty minute nap before returning to the game.

I think it's common.

I don't know what you mean by "ABC style."

Buzz