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Originally Posted by xinax
In the book of Bill Boston there are hand ranks for the cards, i guess this is based on when you play fixed limit full ring?
Because for example aq23 double suited(hand rank 76 in the book) vs akj2(hand rank 149) double suited. But when i put them against each other in a calculator akj2 has more chance to win.
Sorry for the stupid question
Xinax
Bill Boston's books are seriously flawed.
For example, there are three possibilities for double suited AQ23.
(A2)(Q3) and (A3)(Q2) play about the same, but (AQ)(32) plays a bit differently. In my notation, borrowed from ProPokerTools, cards of the same suit are enclosed within the same parentheses.
There are actually 16,432 uniquely different Omaha-8 (and Omaha-high) hands. (A4)32 is a much better starting hand than A(432) and does not play the same, yet both are single suited. (A43)2 and (A432) are also single suited. See the problem? In case you don't, for one thing you don't end up making a flush with (A432) as often as with (A4)32.
But there's an even bigger problem. How any hand plays depends on the other players at the table. Mr. Boston used a Wilson simulator for his simulations. Wilson allows you to vary the play characteristics of the opponents at the table, and there is a cast of about three dozen characters with different playing characteristics. (Or you can choose a showdown mode where playing characteristics don't matter).
Evidently Mr. Boston selected a particular arrangement of Wilson characters. Perhaps he plays in the same game each day, with the same characters and perhaps he matched some of the three dozen or so Wilson characters with the opponents he regularly faces.
I also sometimes use a Wilson simulator for simulations. I don't know what group of Wilson characters Mr. Boston used because I never could find the exact array of Wilson characters he used for his series of (seriously flawed) simulations noted anywhere in any of his books. (I have three of his books). Without that information, his results are not reproducible.
When I ran a series of (thousands) of simulations using a Wilson simulator, I did not get the same results as Mr. Boston.
Obviously if one varies the playing characteristics of the opponents, the relative standing of the hands varies.
The genius behind Pro Poker Tools simulations (Bachfan, who sometimes posts in this forum) uses a better, more objective system to rate starting hands than Bill Boston used.
Here's a link to the site to run your simulations:
http://www.propokertools.com/simulations?g=o8
Here's a link to a ten-handed ordering of starting hands:
http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/o8ordering.txt
Different numbers of opponents at the table produce a different ordering of starting hands.
There's a whole lot more, but that should get you started.
I don't like to knock books but Bill Boston's books are seriously flawed.
Buzz
Last edited by Buzz; 08-15-2013 at 08:11 PM.