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Originally Posted by borderline
How should I play these hands differently?
I think you have the wrong approach. The game is Omaha-8, but you still have to play poker well to be long term successful. Playing poker well involves out-playing your opponents. Sometimes with almost any particular hand, that involves raising, other times that involves checking, calling, or folding.
For example, holding A
A
6
7
on the button in a ten player game, after five folds and two limps, sometimes you should raise. Other times you should limp or fold. Which choice is best depends more on how your opponents will react to your raise, immediately, later in this hand, and in future hands.
But just consider this current hand.
A
A
6
7
probably plays better against three players than five. So if your raise will knock out both blinds, then go ahead and raise. But if everybody is going to call your raise, raising may not be your best option.
(After the flop, everything changes. Assuming your opponents know the game, those without good flop fits will likely fold to a bet. Most flops will not be favorable for A A 6 7. For example only one flop in eight will have an ace and most flops won't have even two spades, let alone three. There are lots of possibilities, but with five opponents, unless the raise knocks out the blinds, at least one opponent will probably have a better flop fit than Hero. And then Hero will have more invested and find it more difficult to get away from the hand.)
Here's a simulation you can follow. Let's give one of the limpers A*** and the other limper a top 20% hand. And lets give both blinds random cards (****).
Hand | Pot equity | Scoops | Wins Hi | Ties Hi | Wins Lo | Ties Lo |
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Ad6dAs7h | 21.68% | 77,247 | 141,264 | 9,271 | 32,536 | 25,052 |
A*** | 21.93% | 64,429 | 97,020 | 11,247 | 84,142 | 46,849 |
20% | 24.36% | 71,928 | 107,178 | 9,557 | 103,390 | 42,525 |
**** | 16.03% | 60,478 | 114,914 | 10,114 | 10,718 | 2,934 |
**** | 16.00% | 59,818 | 115,000 | 10,067 | 10,875 | 3,041 |
Click on the link, and then click "edit" to delete both blinds. See how Hero's chances improve with just two opponents, one with A*** and the other with a top 20% hand.
But note that if neither blind folds, you have more money invested and you haven't improved.
Get it?
If you do, I believe I've given you some very good advice.
As to the hand histories you've posted, you've overwhelmed me. I don't like to respond to posts that have more than one hand history. It's sometimes interesting for me to respond to one hand, but responding to four is a chore. And the way I read and answer, it's easy for me to get the hand histories confused with each other.
Another thing is hand histories don't really belong in the newb's thread. They belong in separate threads, one thread per hand history, as individual threads in the forum, where you'll get a better response. Posters will have different ideas about how to best play each hand and sometimes we at least learn how others think in discussions of hand histories.
Lastly, I've never played 4¢/8¢ Omaha-8. The hands can be the same, but the way they're played by your opponents, the thinking of your opponents, is probably different than at $4/$8 Omaha-8 or $400/$800 Omaha-8.
That written, I'll go ahead and give you some feedback. If you or anyone disagrees with me, which is highly likely, I'll your post (and my response) out of the newb's forum and into a thread of it's own.
Hand #1
Hero is BTN with A
A
6
7
[/quote]That's a nice starting hand. Hero probably has a better chance with it if he can successfully knock out the blinds, but if that won't work, I think the best way to play the hand is as a draw. In other words, if a raise won't knock out the blinds, just limp hoping to see the flop cheaply - and then generally fold if you don't get a nice fit with the flop.
I'd probably bet the flop and also bet the turn.
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Not sure what i should do with double suited kings in SB multiway in a raised pf pot (with 2 wheel cards..)
Hand #2
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.04 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 10 players
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MP1 posts a big blind (1 SB)
Pre Flop: (2.5 SB) Hero is SB with K 5 K 2
Not as good a starting hand as hand #1. I'd want to see the flop with it.
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1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls,
OK.
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BB calls
Flop: (10 SB) 9 8 9 (5 players)
Not a good flop for Hero's hand.
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Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks
OK.
Turn: (5 BB) J
(5 players)
Hero checks,
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero folds[/quote]OK.
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Not sure what I should do here.. fold river? raise river for bluff? call down ok?
Hand #3
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.04 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 7 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP with A 2 A K
Nice starting hand.
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UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BTN caps!, 2 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls
Shrug. Probably not the way I'd play it. Kind of awkward when UTG raises. You need to know your opponents to have a better idea of what cards they're playing.
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Flop: (13.5 SB) J 4 4 (3 players)
Not a good flop for Hero.
I'd fold. If you only had one hand history in this thread I might tell you why, but I'm not going to do that when you've posted four hand histories.
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This hand.. loose pf? Have A45Jds and on the button..
Hand #4
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.04 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with J 5 A 4
This hand is in my playable range. And we're on the button, which is good.
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UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB calls, BB raises, UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls, SB calls
OK.
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Flop: (10 SB) T 6 Q (5 players)
OK. Not really a good flop for Hero, but you're getting favorable odds to see another card.
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Turn: (7.5 BB) 9 (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP folds, Hero calls
OK. You picked up the spade draw.
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River: (11.5 BB) 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks
OK. Lots of straights possible but Hero doesn't have one. Someone could be playing a non-nut straight, or slow playing the nuts. Does someone fold a good hand but not the nuts to a positional bet at this point? I don't know. I doubt it.
Buzz
Last edited by Buzz; 12-08-2010 at 09:19 PM.