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Originally Posted by nyyy1927
Hi I'm new to O8 and hi lo games in general. i thought i won the lo here with A2578 because i hold the lowest card in the lo. vilain has 23478 but villain won the lo. what are the rules for showdown arnkings for lo's?
Board: 8s 7h Jd Qd 2d
my hand: Ac 5c 5h Th
villain hand:2h 3c 4s 7c
Tarvaris has explained this perfectly.
Replace the ace with 1 and read backwards.
"87521 > 87432, thus villain has lower hand."
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Originally Posted by nyyy1927
so would a 2345r hand be better than A4KQr?
No. A4KQr is a better starting hand than 2345r.
You can get an idea of how good starting hands are by going to ProPokerTools, typing the hand into the box provided, and then clicking on "rank."
http://www.propokertools.com/simulations?g=o8
If you do that with these two hands, specifying that they be rainbow hands by making each card in the hand a different suit, here are the results:
Omaha Hi/Lo | Hand Ranking | What's this? |
Hand | Average Rank | Best Rank |
2s3h4d5c | 38.0 | 38.0 |
Omaha Hi/Lo | Hand Ranking | What's this? |
Hand | Average Rank | Best Rank |
As4hKdQc | 16.0 | 16.0 |
A rank of 1 would be best and 100 would be worst.
To perhaps put the "38" rank of 2345r better in perspective, on average, in a six handed game, you might expect two of the six dealt hands to be better than 2345r, and three of the six dealt hands to be worse.
To perhaps put the "16" rank of A4KQr better in perspective, although some of the time, in a six handed game, you might expect one of the six dealt hands to be better than A4KQr, and four of the six dealt hands to be worse - usually A4KQr would be the best starting hand of the six dealt.
The reason A4KQr is a better starting hand, overall, than 2345r, is because A4KQr has high card strength.
The basic idea is simple. In general, high cards are better for high than middle cards or low cards. By "better for high" we mean they win for high more often. And there's always a winner for high.
By contrast, there's only a winner for low roughly half of the time in actual play. The other half of the time, either low is not possible or nobody qualifies.
In six handed non-folding simulations, there's a low split about six times out of ten, but in actual practice, there's only a low split about five times out of ten, or possibly less in a very tight game. That's because although the board may have three low ranks, and thus enable low, the hand that might have won low will often have been folded before the showdown.
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I'm going to move this thread into the beginner's sticky, because that sticky doesn't yet explain reading low hands and the relative value of low hands.
Buzz