FYI there is a stickied thread entitled "... Includes How Do I Read the Low?"

Thanks Grey and Niss, you are both total beasts

Is my take on the low correct?

5432A is the nut low

So 3 cards on the board plus 2 cards in my hand have to all be under 8 for a low to play?

So f if i hold KKA2 and the board is 468Q9
I have the nut low right? And A3 would be the second nut low?

yes

After recreational play at 1/3-2/5 nl he for years I was finally introduced to the greatest variant of them all, hi lo!
I consider myself a life time winning player at 1/3-2/5 hold em, but after years of playing the same game for years Ive gotten curious/bored.

Yesterday our home game switched to hi/low. Normally I leave, however I crushed the Hold Em portion so I said what the heck.

I literally felt like I found the holy grail, but it frightens me. Ive always been under the impression that you have to be a wizard to crush plo and it's variants. What do yall think?
Also are there instructional resources available for high low?

There are many split pot poker variants and I've never seen any of them referred to simply as "high low" (for the obvious reason that "high low" or "hi lo" won't uniquely identify them), but from the last paragraph looks like you're referring to PLO8, or Pot Limit Omaha Hi Lo Split 8 or better. In that case, yes there are training sites and books that discuss this variant.

Its cards crack. You are hooked. Welcome.


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From the little I've dabbled in it, I agree it is fun as hell and and also feel like I really have no idea what I'm going.

Just play small stakes, avoid risking a lot of money, try to get more recent publications, the game is getting more popular, so there are lots of resources available. The O/8 section of 2p2 is kinda slow, so post your questions and we will try to answer.


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I lurked there for a bit a while ago, but felt I had no intuition for the game and focused my energy on PLO instead. If there's any action on Ignition/Bovada, I might splash around a little bit.

Also there is a learning group thread with a discord app open invitation


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Focusing on cash games local casino had a 20/40 mix that I would like too join next year so I wanna study the games very well

I've played several sessions since this post. Sometimes there's no game going, or it's 2 or 3 handed. I'm not sure how to handle super short-handed tables.

As you see, I merged your new thread/post with the thread for questions typically asked by new players, which is stickied at the top of the first page of the forum. Reading this thread probably will help you. A few threads below this one is another stickied thread about books.

Heads up or three handed is crazy. Almost any low is worth continuing in the hand, top pair is usually good for high, barring any raises, which there will be of course. Its like driving heads to head on a one lane road, who blinks first may be living or dying.

I do not recommend heads up or three handed FLO8 unless a player has like 40k hands of practice, online for affordable stakes.

You cant wait for hands, and you cant fold decent stuff, so it is super swingy.

If you watch high stakes heads up virtually every hand is raised pre and called on flop, so the turn is where the skill happens....

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I've been playing PLO8 online. I thought the original discussion was about the "crack" of poker in this guy's home game

I may be folding hands too much after the flop, but I'm assuming that even short handed or heads up you don't want to be *drawing* just one way.

I'm also not sure what to do with trashy middle rundowns that you'd muck at a full table in EP, like 9764. Are these playable OTB heads up? What are you hoping to flop?

Sry, i forgot the PLO8. I would not know where to begin with advice, other than I would expect the button to raise pot pre with 80 percent of hands. A check on the flop would mean total trash or a nutted hand that wants to raise pot to any turn bet. Do most casinos spread PLO8 instead of fixed limit?

Either game is going to be crazy heads up.


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I think most only spread FLO8 except at higher stakes where they let you do anything you want.

6 Handed FLO8.

How would you play Ad5dJhTh UTG?

How about Ad6dJhTh?

since you think its important enough to ask twice.


all of the variants of A5JT doublesuited are very strong hands.

if you are considering folding any of them then perhaps you do need the help of the forum to disabuse you of that notion.
(although robert_utk would apparently defend the fold in the game he plays given a recent post. i don't play FLo8)
but I'D suggest the way to do that is not to ask people 'how would they play..' but rather to make YOUR case/state YOUR reasons why you would fold and then let those who are willing respond with persuasive arguments against your reasons, and of course let others mock you.


whether to raise or limp is an overall strategic decision, one that although not entirely independent of the cards you were dealt, not one you ought to base entirely upon seeing a specific hand texture.
i would think the player tendencies of the players at the table specifically the one's seated on the button and the one seated in the big blind when you are seated UTG is critical to the decision. i'd be taking into consideration both preflop and postflop tendencies/table dynamic.


there is more then one overall gameplan/strategy that will result in long-term profitable play. and among these profitable gameplans i suspect they don't all limp or raise from the UTG position the same frequency or with the same ranges.
its up to you to develop a gameplan/strategy and within that context to refine your raising/limping frequencies and ranges.

you have to share the context, if you want help with the frequencies/ranges or you have share even more if you want help developing your gameplan.
its just seems ludicrous to me to ask for help and sharing basically nothing.

for FL o8 games

and there are 3-4 callers pre

is it wise to raise UTG with really good A2 hands or Raise the limpers?

I feel with a really good A2 hand, espeically suited, A236 d,s is a hand I want everyone to see a flpop with so riasing would do the opposite?

the only time I woudl raise is if i thought EVERYONE would call,

is this thinking above correct?

You are right that you want everyone to see the flop, but you can't make that happen. In most games I play people are going to play their trash regardless so go ahead and raise.

A236ds is missing high strength, but almost a lock on the low side. I would open limp UTG at 6-9 players but open raise UTG against 3-5 players.

If given the opportunity to bloat the pot when a LP raises, I would make it a 3b pot but not cap it pre.

Hi Guys,

I've been playing Poker for around 14 years now, but literally only starting getting interested in Omaha, and more specifically Omaha 8, within the last few weeks. I've been digging around on here and studied a few hand charts, but I'm really keen to get a better understanding for the game, and develop my thought process more than anything.

I recently decided to enter a satellite to the SCOOP PLO8 event this past weekend, not really expecting to do a great deal, but I ended up winning the satellite and qualified for the $11 event which had 5500 entrants. I gave it a good go, and managed to somehow negotiate myself through the field to finish 100th overall, and in truth, probably could've been a bit higher if I'd have had a bit more in strategic knowledge behind me. That said, I thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

Can anyone give me any advice to improve my knowledge in terms of strategy? How about hand selection - I felt I kept getting a bit stuck when it came to playing hands like KK23, A45T, especially from early position. The KK23 hand was actually the hand I busted the tournament with, when I made a crappy flush with the 23s, and my low hand was A2346 (villain had A2345 and a K high flush).

How can I develop my thought process and mindset for the game? I would say I'm a pretty competent hold'em player, but didn't want to just assume I should try and merge thoughts/processes from that game, into Omaha 8.

Lastly, I'm used to being pretty agressive pre-flop. Are there any hands/situations where we should be looking to get it in pre (for example if we held AA24) or should we be looking to see a flop before making any committal decisions?

Thanks for reading.

Welcome and good luck with your development!

My intuition is to say that preflop hand selection has been discussed to the nth degree and that you can probably find a wealth of information by Google-searching the forum. (Later I'll do some searches as examples if you can't find anything.) I'd always use Google instead of the forum's own search. site:twoplustwo.com and the name of the forum are very handy search terms.

Many people here will give you excellent answers to your questions, but rather than reinventing the wheel, it's probably better for you to review what's here and then ask about anything that's unclear or not covered.