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Old 07-02-2017, 12:24 AM   #1026
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Re: Newb thread (thread for newcomer's questions) - includes links to popular wells

FYI there is a stickied thread entitled "... Includes How Do I Read the Low?"
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Old 07-03-2017, 06:34 PM   #1027
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Low hand should be read from the highest card down so you both have 87 lows but his next lowest card is a 4 (vs your 5) so his 874 is lower than your 875.
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Old 07-04-2017, 02:21 AM   #1028
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Is my take on the low correct?

5432A is the nut low

So 3 cards on the board plus 2 cards in my hand have to all be under 8 for a low to play?

So f if i hold KKA2 and the board is 468Q9
I have the nut low right? And A3 would be the second nut low?
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Old 07-04-2017, 05:34 AM   #1029
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Old 07-10-2017, 04:18 PM   #1030
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Im scared of the HI/LO bug

After recreational play at 1/3-2/5 nl he for years I was finally introduced to the greatest variant of them all, hi lo!
I consider myself a life time winning player at 1/3-2/5 hold em, but after years of playing the same game for years Ive gotten curious/bored.

Yesterday our home game switched to hi/low. Normally I leave, however I crushed the Hold Em portion so I said what the heck.

I literally felt like I found the holy grail, but it frightens me. Ive always been under the impression that you have to be a wizard to crush plo and it's variants. What do yall think?
Also are there instructional resources available for high low?
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:12 PM   #1031
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After recreational play at 1/3-2/5 nl he for years I was finally introduced to the greatest variant of them all, hi lo!
I consider myself a life time winning player at 1/3-2/5 hold em, but after years of playing the same game for years Ive gotten curious/bored.

Yesterday our home game switched to hi/low. Normally I leave, however I crushed the Hold Em portion so I said what the heck.

I literally felt like I found the holy grail, but it frightens me. Ive always been under the impression that you have to be a wizard to crush plo and it's variants. What do yall think?
Also are there instructional resources available for high low?
There are many split pot poker variants and I've never seen any of them referred to simply as "high low" (for the obvious reason that "high low" or "hi lo" won't uniquely identify them), but from the last paragraph looks like you're referring to PLO8, or Pot Limit Omaha Hi Lo Split 8 or better. In that case, yes there are training sites and books that discuss this variant.
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Old 07-11-2017, 01:07 AM   #1032
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After recreational play at 1/3-2/5 nl he for years I was finally introduced to the greatest variant of them all, hi lo!
I consider myself a life time winning player at 1/3-2/5 hold em, but after years of playing the same game for years Ive gotten curious/bored.

Yesterday our home game switched to hi/low. Normally I leave, however I crushed the Hold Em portion so I said what the heck.

I literally felt like I found the holy grail, but it frightens me. Ive always been under the impression that you have to be a wizard to crush plo and it's variants. What do yall think?
Also are there instructional resources available for high low?


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Old 07-11-2017, 01:20 AM   #1033
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From the little I've dabbled in it, I agree it is fun as hell and and also feel like I really have no idea what I'm going.
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Old 07-11-2017, 01:27 AM   #1034
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From the little I've dabbled in it, I agree it is fun as hell and and also feel like I really have no idea what I'm going.


Just play small stakes, avoid risking a lot of money, try to get more recent publications, the game is getting more popular, so there are lots of resources available. The O/8 section of 2p2 is kinda slow, so post your questions and we will try to answer.


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Old 07-11-2017, 01:34 AM   #1035
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The O/8 section of 2p2 is kinda slow, so post your questions and we will try to answer.
I lurked there for a bit a while ago, but felt I had no intuition for the game and focused my energy on PLO instead. If there's any action on Ignition/Bovada, I might splash around a little bit.
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Old 07-11-2017, 01:34 AM   #1036
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From the little I've dabbled in it, I agree it is fun as hell and and also feel like I really have no idea what I'm going.


Also there is a learning group thread with a discord app open invitation


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Old 07-19-2017, 12:47 AM   #1037
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Best books / sites for Omaha 8

Focusing on cash games local casino had a 20/40 mix that I would like too join next year so I wanna study the games very well
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:36 AM   #1038
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Just play small stakes, avoid risking a lot of money, try to get more recent publications, the game is getting more popular, so there are lots of resources available. The O/8 section of 2p2 is kinda slow, so post your questions and we will try to answer.


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I've played several sessions since this post. Sometimes there's no game going, or it's 2 or 3 handed. I'm not sure how to handle super short-handed tables.
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:04 AM   #1039
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Focusing on cash games local casino had a 20/40 mix that I would like too join next year so I wanna study the games very well
As you see, I merged your new thread/post with the thread for questions typically asked by new players, which is stickied at the top of the first page of the forum. Reading this thread probably will help you. A few threads below this one is another stickied thread about books.
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Old 07-19-2017, 01:29 PM   #1040
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I've played several sessions since this post. Sometimes there's no game going, or it's 2 or 3 handed. I'm not sure how to handle super short-handed tables.


Heads up or three handed is crazy. Almost any low is worth continuing in the hand, top pair is usually good for high, barring any raises, which there will be of course. Its like driving heads to head on a one lane road, who blinks first may be living or dying.

I do not recommend heads up or three handed FLO8 unless a player has like 40k hands of practice, online for affordable stakes.

You cant wait for hands, and you cant fold decent stuff, so it is super swingy.

If you watch high stakes heads up virtually every hand is raised pre and called on flop, so the turn is where the skill happens....

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Old 07-19-2017, 01:41 PM   #1041
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Heads up or three handed is crazy. Almost any low is worth continuing in the hand, top pair is usually good for high, barring any raises, which there will be of course. Its like driving heads to head on a one lane road, who blinks first may be living or dying.

I do not recommend heads up or three handed FLO8 unless a player has like 40k hands of practice, online for affordable stakes.

You cant wait for hands, and you cant fold decent stuff, so it is super swingy.


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I've been playing PLO8 online. I thought the original discussion was about the "crack" of poker in this guy's home game

I may be folding hands too much after the flop, but I'm assuming that even short handed or heads up you don't want to be *drawing* just one way.

I'm also not sure what to do with trashy middle rundowns that you'd muck at a full table in EP, like 9764. Are these playable OTB heads up? What are you hoping to flop?
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Old 07-19-2017, 01:45 PM   #1042
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I've been playing PLO8. I may be folding hands too much after the flop, but I'm assuming that even short handed or heads up you don't want to be *drawing* just one way.

I'm also not sure what to do with trashy middle rundowns that you'd muck at a full table in EP, like 9764. Are these playable OTB heads up? What are you hoping to flop?


Sry, i forgot the PLO8. I would not know where to begin with advice, other than I would expect the button to raise pot pre with 80 percent of hands. A check on the flop would mean total trash or a nutted hand that wants to raise pot to any turn bet. Do most casinos spread PLO8 instead of fixed limit?

Either game is going to be crazy heads up.


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Old 07-19-2017, 01:53 PM   #1043
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Do most casinos spread PLO8 instead of fixed limit?
I think most only spread FLO8 except at higher stakes where they let you do anything you want.
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Old 09-21-2017, 11:02 PM   #1044
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Re: Newb thread (thread for newcomer's questions) - includes links to popular wells

6 Handed FLO8.

How would you play Ad5dJhTh UTG?

How about Ad6dJhTh?
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Old 09-23-2017, 01:16 PM   #1045
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Re: Newb thread (thread for newcomer's questions) - includes links to popular wells

since you think its important enough to ask twice.


all of the variants of A5JT doublesuited are very strong hands.

if you are considering folding any of them then perhaps you do need the help of the forum to disabuse you of that notion.
(although robert_utk would apparently defend the fold in the game he plays given a recent post. i don't play FLo8)
but I'D suggest the way to do that is not to ask people 'how would they play..' but rather to make YOUR case/state YOUR reasons why you would fold and then let those who are willing respond with persuasive arguments against your reasons, and of course let others mock you.


whether to raise or limp is an overall strategic decision, one that although not entirely independent of the cards you were dealt, not one you ought to base entirely upon seeing a specific hand texture.
i would think the player tendencies of the players at the table specifically the one's seated on the button and the one seated in the big blind when you are seated UTG is critical to the decision. i'd be taking into consideration both preflop and postflop tendencies/table dynamic.


there is more then one overall gameplan/strategy that will result in long-term profitable play. and among these profitable gameplans i suspect they don't all limp or raise from the UTG position the same frequency or with the same ranges.
its up to you to develop a gameplan/strategy and within that context to refine your raising/limping frequencies and ranges.

you have to share the context, if you want help with the frequencies/ranges or you have share even more if you want help developing your gameplan.
its just seems ludicrous to me to ask for help and sharing basically nothing.
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