almost same name, some extra letters

hunmatt was playing mostly turbo $15-rebuy OD sngs and maybe some of the $20 and $30 normal sngs

lol, i play whatever will run...was playing plo spins for awhile for the lols

Yeah the italians are pretty fun to play against, and some ppl from portugal are showing up lately it seems like. If you were playing the mtts there, those are always soft but they kinda need to be because they take up so much damn time.

But things have a way of balancing themselves out. A lot of pros have been coming too, Thrash370 brought a whole damn staking group lol. Lots of Costa Rica players lately.

After reading the last half a page I am convinced that Lotus has a bigger ego problem than OMB. Never thought I would say that.

Bike are you aware that all of Stars' high stake players are now playing with the US fish on US sites? You need to sort it out if you are not on to this. Didn't think EU could play Bodog..

PS Lotus. The relevance of the Stars' poker ecosystem to the relative skill levels is lol. We are talking skill not long term viability.In fact it's the superior skill level that is destroying Stars. Stars needs the US fish to survive long term and Amaya seriously underestimated the political intransigence when taking on the massive loan debt required to purchase Stars. With no US fish, increased skill (this is Galfond's blind spot imo-RIO is not good for the ecosystem) etc, they are having to rake the crap out of all games to make it viable.

You say everyone has an ego problem, the common denominator seems to be you tbh. If anyone has an ego problem, it's these guys who always seem to be talking down to everyone...including you it seems like. And wtf are you anyway, a Dr. Phil wannabe? All I pretty much said was, if you're gonna say you guys are so much better then put up some money and find a way to prove it. Yeah totally unhealthy ego

I didn't say all were playing over here, but a lot have. At least try to make it a little bit funny or interesting when you twist words. All you ever seem to do is argue beside the point and try to make yourself seem smart and funny, compensating much?

Edit: Maybe I should be like some of you guys and post a lot about how bad the new players from italy and portugal are.

Everyone? Bike does not constitute everyone lol. You really needb to chill.

Why did you delete the main part of the post? It was pretty accurate and I guess you know that.

lol still being condescending huh? That smug, know-it-all attitude will get ya real far in life

You guys say we're terrible, I say prove it, and instead you act like a douche. Congrats man, totally something to be proud of and really showing some great character. For someone so clearly obsessed about his image, it seems like a no-no tbh. It's kinda getting hard to tell if you're just trolling or actually serious, either way it's kinda funny in a sad way.

The best part is you guys think the player pools are completely fenced off and strategies, funds, players, formats, employees and pretty much everything else can't spread. Take a sec and use a little logic, you're obvs a bright person and not even being sarcastic or anything.

You are reading far far too much into what I am saying. You seem to know more about what I think than I do myself. As a result, there really isn't much point me replyimg any further.

Buzz. You may think it's time to move the last page to the insults thread.

Its simple, prove what you guys have been saying for years now or drop this toxic subject for good. I don't get what can be so hard about it...

Propably u got a false info or mix up my sn with somebody's else.
I have just played a couple of sngs and mtts there, done quite good but totally irrelevant becasue of the small sample size.The on demand sng field was soft but the volume was too low for me and unconfortable to play at the same time with PS.

Edit: Actually the 7$ field was soft, the $15 not that much and now i remember that we have played some sngs together

Your sn is matteo85h. And yeah small sample size...wasn't saying you were a bad player, sharkscope is wayyy off for wpn too so nobody really knows for sure anyway. I guess I was mostly around when you just ran bad or felt like making some crazy plays, the point was that it's not exactly loleasy there. Sucks about the volume, it usually doesn't start getting busy until very late for you :/

But still, wouldn't you say it's a pretty safe bet that if a player isn't profitable at stars tourneys then they mostly likely wouldn't be profitable at the 15 ODs or higher tourneys either? Some of the others seem to think our games are nothing but fish and bad regs, making it easy money for anyone who's played a little bit on stars lol. I wish it was true though

Hmm yeah totally forgot that i have played on two different skins on wpn first on Poker Kings with the name you mentioned also later on ACR under a name i am gonna pm you Played around the same # totaled a negative result with one and a positive with the other but again totally irrelevant as i played just around 100 sngs-mtts with the two sns in total.

I dont really want to get into this dispute also i suck at regular speed poker so my opinion shouldnt matter, i could only compare hyper or turbo sngs-mtts with safety, but my bet is that if a player can beat the $15 ODs there confidently than he would easily beat PS o8 mtts up to $55

I was reasonable and objective with my comments but you still paint all non-Americans with the same brush!

I have signed up for ACR and I was going to sit with you in all the games you are in right now but my deposit was rejected. I got some sketchy advice from ACR support about contacting my bank, asking them to manually approve the transaction and "don't say anything about gambling", as apparently international banks put up a block sometimes.

I will see u there when I resolve banking, I really want to check out these games and players now

If u play similar games on Stars it is 90%+ winning players. Even greats like plo8 and omybicycle, bokkie87, beeethoven87 (87 is the new 69, bike will tell u about it) have played those games

You can be a good player on Stars and not win for a while because of bad luck and other good players. On any other major euro site you don't need to worry about a table full of sharks, only lucky fish, and I bet it's the same on US sites.

A break even player on Stars would be profitable on any other site I've ever played on so I want to see what it's like on ACR.

Pick 12 American players from ACR against 12 RoW from Stars and do a Ryder Cup of MTT/SnG. Entry will be $100 each and USA will do the same as the golf team - win once a century

wait, what?

FYP Matt

@Lotus

I'm curious that you keep talking about 'you guys' are continuously being condescending to US players? OMB and Amok are condescending to everyone so i don't understand why you feel they are only attacking American players.

I mean it's just fact that stars is a lot tougher than any other site whether it be an American site or US. But as Svloloch says stars have underestimated how damaging it is not having US fish and have been forced to put up rake and games are just full of good players even at lower stakes. You will get the odd fish at low/mid stakes cash but they will soon get crushed.

MTT's are a little different as there are so many on stars now that there are lots of new/bad players trying them out. But at the end of the day there are so many good regular MTT players that in any MTT of value it will be top heavy of good players in the closing stages.

ACR just doesn't have much of a player pool so it's probably comparing apples and oranges anyway. Some of Stars's weekend O8's get over 200 players if i remember correctly and there are quite a few of them.

You are asking why don't all these supposed top player don't come over so the winning network and crush. Simply not enough volume and software is **** compared with stars. ACR is klunky and slow compared. And trying to play stars along with these softwares for most is annoying/difficult.

I'm interested to know what the Bovada software is like? I hear there is a bigger o8 pool there and quite a few decent MTT's. So i'm guessing some of the guys that can play there will play the odd MTT but their main volume will be on stars. Much like Bedias. But i am confused as i thought Bedias was Brazilan ha. But i guess ne is a US player that relocated to Brazil. Wondered how a Brazilan player is so solid and nitty ha.

Seems about right imo...maybe bike, streity, billy, svoloch, and the rest will all put up 5 or 10k each on the other side of this bet and have a lil fun

I personally like the Bovada software better than ACR. Not to mention the lobby at ACR seems like a cluster, but maybe I'm just not used to it. Volume-wise, from about 10pm to 1am CST, there seems like there is hardly ever anything running at ACR, but there is a lot going on at Bovada. I could probably reg for 15 $11 6-max SNGs and anywhere from 5 to 20 $5 6-max hypers in a couple of hours. Plus at 10 you can still late reg for the $11 NLKO and FL MTTs, and then the $11 PL MTT starts at 11 (all $500 gtd that get between 40-60 runners, but the $11 PL used to get 80-90 earlier this year fairly often). I think the $22 $1000gtd PL MTT starts at 10 as well, but been awhile since I've played that. Don't register for the $27 SNGs too often either, but don't think you will get too many of those running. I think the better (bigger) MTTs start around 6pm so can't speak to any of those.

Best idea I've heard so far from this whole silly subject, make it 1k or more though. And at least give us canada, we feel naked without our hat.

I play on Bovada/ACR when I'm back in USA but mostly live outside the US and play Stars and the other sites and the quality of the games is just not close. If you play, for instance, the $55 nlo8 on a Sunday on Bovada it's easier than any random $5 o8 mtt you choose on Stars. And I've played quite a bit of cash on Bovada as well and, again, it's not close which site has harder games. Also the o8 SNGS on Bovada are absurdly easy

haha get reall man come and play me i bet on myself vs any USA player

BRING THEM ONNNN

Ok i make a account on some USA site what is ACR? maybe can make there and come beat all your usa asshes
when we play ? 10/20 minimun get you money together to battle me.

Software itself is pretty bad, somehow it got even worse after their updates. Rake is absurdly high with no rakeback or pretty much any kind of decent rewards. Their policy seems to be make it as unfriendly to grinders as possible, you're capped at 4 tables except for mtts. High rake and the caps make the mtts super soft though(and sngs/cash to a lesser extent), with lots of entries from bored sng/cash players. Idk why they barely run any high buy-in o8 mtts. WPN currently has the highest weekly mtt, an 88 rebuy thats been getting closer and closer to 100 entries each week. If bovada offered something similar it would get like 150-300 entries easy, on a saturday or sunday especially. Same with series, wpn had a 109r and 215r o8 along with a ton of smaller stuff which got quite a few entries but bovada could've done it better if they would just try. WPN did cover the gtd on their nlhe milly this time, so I guess it's not all bad for them.

Truth is bovada is all about their sportsbook and casino, poker is just an afterthought for them and they try to make it as difficult as they can for a grinder. But without the sportsbook/casino, it would be pretty dead and devoid of the lovely fishies.

As for how the skill level between the sites compare, I gotta take Matteo's word over yours. He's put in a very respectable amount of volume on stars and has actually played both sites.

Svoloch they recommend using bitcoin to deposit/withdraw.

Straight up cash game would be boring...the biggest winner would probably be the rake(unless you count qualifying for the weekly rake race, then it's huge rakeback) and I don't think everyone has access to acr anyway.

Svoloch was way more creative with his idea

haha now you pussy out.
his idea was not doble i can battle anyone tomorrow if there is a USA player with big mouth like yours

****ing hilarous you say rake wins haha i beat any USA player more then the site take as rake on 10/20
crazy that you really think the edges are that small you really have no clue

Well since you're the best tournament player, let's try to get a bunch of $100 sngs going...unless you maybe have trouble with icm?

Maybe I'll learn some new things from it, so it's win-win for me