So I've started playing omaha hi mtts and found they're generally quite soft so was wondering how the roi of plo8 and nlo8 mtts compared to nlhe. Never played either before so wanted to check before i invest time studying.

Definitely softer than hold'em, there just aren't as many resources for PLO8. That being said almost any tournament is laughably soft.

plo8 is noticeably softer than holdem tournaments. Players overplay A2 a bunch, and some dont realize that having a low doesnt necessarily mean they get half the pot. WPN has very soft fields in plo8

Please keep it a secret about plo08 on wpn and bovada please

No money in PLO8 MTTs, everyone's solid.

Like butter at room temperature.

Around this soft in 215's. But being a Russian mule on stars you just pretty much need to play as terrible as possible and the results will come...

This Russian very weird agressive player. I really dont understand his game...
I often see him on highstakes omaha hl wcoop / scoop mtts with some good results in the past.

Is luck or he is profitable there ? I dont think squeez OOP with trash like KQ75ds is profitable play ever

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Is mostly equity near to flip and sometimes 60% and 70% against him.

and many cases where playing without a position with this hand will have to fold a lot of flops

He usually plays like he's on some vodka/amphetamine concoction and even more so in the weekly yesterday. Was pretty much guaranteed to pot his BB if limped to. So seemed the best way to get him HU was to complete/pot. Kroko is tight so good chance he folds.

Pretty much perfect flop for me so bet pretty small to give him some room to hang himself which he did. But as stars rng hates me in all higher buyin or event big late spots he hits his miracle.

Quite a few of the aggro horrid Russians seem to be getting good results. Zanos_Goda is an absolute drooling idiot yet he cant seem to lose and lots more examples. **** pokerstars.

To answer your question I mean of course its luck and getting loved by the stars rng when you're playing like a huge donkey. Prolly plays loads of cash as there seems to be a pretty suspect correlation between running good in these and paying loads of cash rake.

I think BOSS of russian omaha mafia agro players IS ElaBuga
His aggression is unbelievable!!! All the time 3betting , 3 barelling even on compleate low and flush draw board he still barelling some gutshots without low.
All the time 3 betting and fires 3 barells with everything.

HATE HIM !!! Beacsue im not good enough to hold effective my weaker marginal hands to the river
I can not concentrate sometimes.

The same is for party poker. The level of players is much weaker, but russian regs are maniacally agro as hell

yeah fk elabuga.

WCOOP will be ours this year, billy.

Yeah man...the time is thy for us

goodluck!

@amok i dont even know what is your nickname on ps

My nick is plo8. Losing tournament player, thanks to never cashing in +$1k events.

The Russians aren't so bad. The Fins and the Brazilians are much worse.

I kind of agree with this, I mean being too aggressive is far from the worst mistake in poker.

Finns*. Not sure, there are some weak and some very strong from both countries.

In MTTs especially a lot of people seem to have a tough time adjusting to aggressive players. I mean how else can you explain Pokinstar

For the record I'm not a big fan of how Zanos or Zapah play but I do think there are a lot of other Russian players that are really good and not all of them are the super aggressive type either.


Fair enough and of course the player who has won the most from O8 mtts is Brazilian although besides Bedias I can't think of another player from Brazil that I think is good. I included Finland mostly to troll you and because skyscraper and jaaa are both ****ing idiots

GL in WCOOP

Yeah I kinda guessed. I think skyscraper might be a russian who moved to Finland though...
You too. For me started normally, -4,2k in H and min-cash in M.

For sure there are some good Russian players super aggro and TAG. But loads of horrific ones too. I mean they make up a higher % than any other country id have thought.

I'm surprised you think Skyscraper is bad imo one of the best HT o8 players. Jaaaa is a **** joke though in every format ha.

Just back from golfing/piss up holiday with friends in Algarve but keen to play some remaining events.

GL all....

Keep in mind the Russian players you mentioned are all winning players even if they do some stupid ****. Gangstachel is probably the best big bet O8 player and then there is also Adrenalin, Mongano, RedPhoenix, Premove, Sergei_S1 who are all really good and I could probably think of some others if I really thought about it.

On Skyscraper I'm not sure why you think hes one of the best Hyper players. I couldn't disagree more. I'm not sure what his results are nor do I really care. People still underestimate the affect variance has on Hyper results. In my history playing with him his EV BB/100 is not good especially at higher buy in levels and I see him do stupid **** almost every day.

GL in the remaining WCOOPs

Seat 2: HJ (371,600)
Seat 4: CO (130,619)
Seat 5: BTN (Hero) (195,031)
Seat 6: SB (210,128)
Seat 1: BB (88,901)

SB posts small blind [1,250]
BB posts big blind [2,500]

Dealt to Hero XXXX
HJ folds
CO folds
Hero raises [6,250]
SB calls [5,000]
BB calls [3,750]

** Dealing Flop ** [ 4, J, Q ] pot: 18,750
SB checks
BB checks
Hero bets [13,312]
SB calls [13,312]
BB folds

** Dealing Turn ** [ 7 ] pot: 45,374
SB checks
Hero bets [34,485]
SB calls [34,485]

** Dealing River ** [ 7 ] pot: 114,344
SB checks
Hero bets [68,888]
SB calls [68,888]

pot: 252,120

SB shows [ A, 8, 2, 5 ]a pair of Sevens.


HOW? What % of my bluffs does he even beat? MTTs soft my ass, these guys are animals.

lol wtf.

Whos that then? But whoever it is he's just being a huge station. If he thinks you are bluffing then probably better shoving as your 'nothing' could very well be beat A8.

3% overall, not only bluffs )

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

22,936 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 4JQ77

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
Ad8h2d5s	3.33%	562	562	403	0	0
20%	96.67%	21,971	21,971	403	0	0

I don't know skyscrapers results but probably very good. From times playing in same hyper mtts I thought he was a pretty good aggro ht player.

Better than most of the Russian regs that's for sure. And yeah a lot of these horrid Russians are winning players but as you mentioned about variance they wont stay winning players i'm confident of that. Yeah some of the Russian names you mention are good players. Although **** adrenalin imo.