So this hand happened a full rotation of games after the other one -- overall my impression is that the CO (who's the LAG from the previous hand) is certainly LAGgy (LAG), the button is slightly LAGgy (sLAG), the SB is probably the best player in the game (Best), the BB walked for most of an hour so don't have a ton of read, the black lady UTG is loose passive (LP), the guy to my immediate right (UTG+1) is a middle-aged Asian guy who knows the regulars in the game but otherwise just sat down, and the old guy in MP to my left is fairly tight/passive (TP). I'll include those descriptors throughout.

OTTH, I have JT98

UTG (LP) limps, UTG+1 limps, I limp?, everyone else mentioned above limps/completes/checks. 8 ways to the flop.

Flop (8 SB): T83

Four checks to me, I bet, TP calls, LAG calls, sLAG calls, Best calls, BB folds, LP calls, Asian guy folds.

Turn (7 BB): T83 [4]

Best checks, LP checks, I bet?, TP calls, LAG calls, sLAG calls, Best calls, LP folds.

River (12 BB): T83 4 [A]

Best checks, LP checks, I check? , TP bets, LAG calls, sLAG calls, Best calls, I call closing the action getting 16:1 (but presumably only playing for half, so effectively 8:1 my flush is good)?

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Fold Pre. You have no low potential and sometimes straights you make bring the low. Flush draws blow chunks in this type of game.

As played!

Flop: Vulnerable top two (means many cards over ten make your top two worthless) and open ended, bet.

Turn: Low is there. You should go to check calling mode. Your flush draw not that good and many hands with low can make better highs.

River: Well played. I wouldn't bet here when you are only getting half the pot if you don't run into better flush. I might have been tempted to lead in the moment, but losing play as you are right you only get half. If you are wrong, you lose up to 4 bets.

Jack high flush, given action and pot is probably too good to fold, but I don't want to bet, get raised by an obvious low and face a three bet.

You have fundamental leak in your game. Both hands are good, but only work for half the pot without escape potential.

Focus on the low. The highs come naturally. Hope this helps!

This is 1000% a fold preflop.

Yeah, I understand/agree. Probably a bit of a tilt-call at the point at which I made it, mostly thinking about the fishy LP lady and "ooh this looks so pretty can't fold it."

Any thoughts on the turn? My feeling overall is that my hand is still currently good for the top half and that I'd probably win the top half on any 7 through K and sometimes clubs, so I felt like if I got a bet in five ways or against two or three lows that it'd be an equity favorite, but maybe that's wrong.

According to ProPokerTools, this hand ranks 43.0 in a 10-handed game. If I'm in a game where 8 players are seeing the flop for one bet, I will probably play this hand (preferably from later position than what you had), but I definitely see it as a trouble hand. You can make a straight or a flush or even a full house and get beaten by a higher one. You can make the nut straight and get quartered. You have to be confident in your postflop skills if you're going to play hands like this.

I like the flop and don't mind betting or going for a check-raise. But the turn is bad. Now you have no chance of scooping, and the players with low hands may be free-rolling you. Any A, 2, 5, or 6 makes a low straight; any 3 or 4 could give someone with low cards a full house or trips; and any club could give someone else a higher flush than yours. A King could be a bad card as it might give someone else Kings up (like a player who has A35K). Jacks and 9s are bad cards because they make all kinds of straights possible while giving you three pairs. The only cards that are really safe for you are Tens, 8s, non-club 7s, and non-club Queens. That's 10 cards total—for half the pot.

This is why it's a trouble hand: even though you likely have the best high hand at the moment, you're in a difficult spot. It's time to go into check-call mode and reevaluate on the river.

The river gives you the fourth-best flush. I guess it's a check-call, but I'd expect to be beat a fair amount here, and if someone bets and someone else raises, you should really just let this hand go.

Wait—you say the tight, passive player bets and three players call, including the best player? There's probably no way you're good here. Given your player profiles, I think you can make an exploitative fold. You lose to a straight flush, a King-high flush, and a Queen-high flush. The only flushes you beat are Ten-high, 9-high, 7-high, and 6-high. You can't expect all four of your opponents to have 25 for a wheel or 26 for the second-nut low. At least one of them has a higher flush than yours.

I think both checking and betting the turn are OK. If you do bet, you certainly should -NOT- fold to a raise as the previous poster suggested. Even when you are behind on the high right now, you have way to many outs to the nuts to fold given the pot size.

I also think you can very reasonably call the river even with three overcallers already. If either of the last two overcallers had the nut flush, they probably would have raised. There's still a pretty strong chance you're beat, but not enough to fold for that price.

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