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Well. last night I took everyone's advice and raised preflop with the premium hands A2310ss AA46 etc...

It did narrow the field somewhat...got between 2-4 callers instead of the usual family pot. Unfortunately, all those callers had decent hands that ran very close to me.

Out of 67 hands played, I took a piece of two, and none after hand #23!

Good times!

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08-15-2020 , 05:39 PM

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flyingnite

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Originally Posted by BHDonkey

I get the reraise preflop...though personally without the deuce I'm not sure why everyone thinks it's such a clear raise especially OOP. Are people suggesting I pot it with every top 20% hand because I have a slight EV edge? I get it if I'm all in, but with stacks behind aren't I just making it much more difficult to play when I hit a hand like this?

AQ53 double-suited to the A and Q is a premium hand. Would you squeeze AKQJds in PLO in this spot? or AKs in NL? Our hand is that strong, if not stronger.

Like others have said, you don't need to win every hand, just make sure the pots are bigger when you do decide to contest them.

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08-15-2020 , 05:46 PM

#28

kisada

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well said

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08-23-2020 , 05:55 AM

#29

treetop21

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Originally Posted by flyingnite

You really need to listen to this imo. As usual, Amok and Kisada have everything covered here.

Sorry to hear about your session, either you just ran terribly or you are getting outplayed postflop.

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08-23-2020 , 11:36 AM

#30

Draw2pat

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Originally Posted by flyingnite

No limit does not compare to plo8. If you’re playing no limit as a raw equity game you’re doing it wrong.

I wonder what the preflop EV of raising aq35 out of position is against 4 callers. It’s tiny. And then on the flop you check fold 80% of the time. Of the 20% you stack off, the equities run extremely close, and with the low spr, what exactly is the ev? It’s tiny. At that point you’re better off throwing your poker money in an index and spending your evenings drinking beer in front of the tv

But it certainly does make the game less stressful and easier to play.

Last edited by Draw2pat; 08-23-2020 at 11:46 AM.

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08-23-2020 , 08:00 PM

#31

Gravity Well

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Originally Posted by Draw2pat

Most people, even those who are regulars, play this game horribly. His preflop equity might be small but this is a postflop game. He's building a pot to take advantage of his opponents various postflop mistakes that he won't (or at least shouldn't) make.

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08-23-2020 , 10:18 PM

#32

kisada

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don't think it matters anymore

seems like he's banned

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08-24-2020 , 06:46 AM

#33

amok

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Just for the record - if people are limping as weak hands as has already described by the OP, the value of raising AQ53ds is enormous. Not raising is giving away equity but probably makes the game easier to play, due to no "big pot" pressure.

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08-24-2020 , 12:15 PM

#34

kisada

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also understated is that AQ35ds becomes significantly easier to play if it goes say 2-3 handed because a bunch of guys folded pre.

and if it still stays multiway, it kinda really is still easy to play. the SPR is shortened, and you just play trying to hit monster draws OTF.

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08-25-2020 , 11:22 PM

#35

smartDFS

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Originally Posted by BHDonkey

Do I fold, call or, dare I say, repot?

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08-26-2020 , 11:39 AM

#36

BHDonkey

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Originally Posted by amok

Raising makes the game easier...if this pot had been 100+, which it would have had I potted it (and gotten the usual 3-6 callers), with basically a pot sized stack remaining, I'd ship it.

Heck...had the game been NL, I might have shipped preflop.

But I find, especially with short stacks (under 100bb), that seeing the turn card in PLO8 is crucial...hard to do if you bloat the pot preflop.

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08-26-2020 , 12:53 PM

#37

amok

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Originally Posted by BHDonkey

Raising OOP in our Omaha game is suicide. You bloat the pot, and most of the time will need to check/fold the flop.

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Originally Posted by BHDonkey

Raising makes the game easier...if this pot had been 100+, which it would have had I potted it (and gotten the usual 3-6 callers), with basically a pot sized stack remaining, I'd ship it.

You are contradicting yourself over and over again with your results-oriented "analysis". Right now you understand close to nothing about this game, but if you want to learn, at least you have stumbled into the right place.

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08-26-2020 , 02:50 PM

#38

BHDonkey

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I don't think you know how to play in social, home games with the same people year after year.

Based on some of your responses, I can't say I'm surprised.

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08-26-2020 , 02:57 PM

#39

amok

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No idea what you mean. I play in social home games and I think I know how to play in them.

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08-26-2020 , 04:05 PM

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BHDonkey

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Originally Posted by amok

No idea what you mean. I play in social home games and I think I know how to play in them.

"I play mostly online, so I can't build my strategy around waiting for some donkey to donate his money to me."

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08-26-2020 , 04:28 PM

#41

amok

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Keyword: mostly.

I play live, mostly for social reasons.

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08-26-2020 , 05:17 PM

#42

BHDonkey

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Originally Posted by amok

Keyword: mostly.

I play live, mostly for social reasons.

I knew you would say that.

Always have to get the last word in.

Always are right.

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08-26-2020 , 05:17 PM

#43

smartDFS

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Originally Posted by Draw2pat

No limit does not compare to plo8. If you’re playing no limit as a raw equity game you’re doing it wrong.

if you're playing any poker variant as a raw equity game you might be doing it wrong?

i've also learned from reading this thread that turn cards are key in omaha and (in a game full of callhappy droolers) both folding and repotting this flop could be entertained as defensible moves...

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08-26-2020 , 05:37 PM

#44

amok

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I am not always right, I am always logical.

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08-27-2020 , 01:38 AM

#45

RolldUpTrips

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BH I truly don't mean to be a dick with this comment but take it for what it is:
You came here for advice and have gotten a lot of the same advice from a lot of people who are better than you and instead of trying to learn, you just want to fight. Why start a thread in the first place, then?

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08-27-2020 , 12:11 PM

#46

BHDonkey

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Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips

I never take offense from strangers online.

Start a fight?...other responses are rude, patronizing and condescending - particularly AMOK. If you wouldn't say it to someone's face, don't put it in print.

I asked about the flop...not preflop. I know raising pre is an option (and I will frequently raise)..but a couple posters think it's marginal especially being OOP. So it's hardly unanimous.

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08-27-2020 , 12:59 PM

#47

kisada

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i mean i see that but one way you gotta look at it is the guy is offering you free advice that literally will help you make money, should you choose to take it. it's pretty irritating when you take time out of your day to comment try and be helpful but then people push back.

go back and look at the posts one by one. it didn't start out like that. but your resistance to good and helpful advice as well as the other poster's contributions (being antagonizing and insulting, not surprised he got banned btw) certainly led up to all this.

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08-27-2020 , 02:29 PM

#48

BHDonkey

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Originally Posted by kisada

It's not resistance, as much as posters saying, in black and white, that my hand is a slam dunk raise 100% of the time. I just don't think it's that good, and often doesn't play that well post flop OOP. Lacking a deuce is huge, IMHO.

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08-27-2020 , 03:48 PM

#49

smartDFS

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it was on this day in history, the 27th august of 2020 yesteryear, that bhdonkey reinvented the game of PLO8

prior to bhd's innovation, people thought u could raise hands without deuces. luckily our generation knows better and doesn't succumb to such foolish leaks. lacking a deuce is huge.

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08-27-2020 , 04:32 PM

#50

kisada

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well, i'm glad that you at least acknowledge it's opinion.

i've learned a lot about o8 over the past year and it's pretty much changed my worldview not just in this game, but in basically every other game i play. i understand value now in a way that i hadn't understood for the first 20 years of my poker career.

so, i probably would have agreed with you in the past. in fact i'm almost sure of it. now i will just say i disagree and move on.

gl

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