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09-25-2017 , 12:02 AM
PokerStars, Omaha H/L Limit - stakes removed - 10 players
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UTG: (26 bb)
UTG+1: (34 bb)
MP: (95 bb)
MP+1: (45 bb)
MP+2: (26 bb)
LP: (24 bb)
CO: (28 bb)
BU (Hero): (34 bb)
SB: (106 bb)
BB: (96 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1.5sb) Hero is BTN with 3 9 T A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP calls, MP+1 calls , MP+2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks

Flop: (8sb) 3 3 9 (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP bets, MP+1 calls, 2 players fold, Hero raises, 3 players fold, MP calls, MP+1 calls

Turn: (7 BB) 4 (3 players)
MP bets, MP+1 raises, Hero raises, MP calls, MP+1 caps!, Hero calls, MP calls

River: (19 BB) 7 (3 players)
MP checks, MP+1 bets, Hero calls, MP calls

pre:

no reads except whole table is filled with extremely loose players itching to pay anyone off who bets

Obviously my hand is pretty terrible pre but there are a lot worse hands and I'm on the button. So I get to make accurate decisions postflop so I call and then LOL when that flop comes.

flop: well that was basically gin so i try to pump it. pretty sure the first guy has trip threes and the second guy is calling with a flush draw or backdoor low.

turn: when mp2 raises thats pretty scary and i dont really know how many bets to put in but i haz good hand so i got all the bets in.

river: when low hit i'm not under any illusions that i can somehow bluff someone off a low and there's a good shot mp2 has fours or nines full. so i just call, just in case. i dunno how he can catch fours full after calling a bunch of bets though, if that is what he did have.
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09-25-2017 , 02:20 AM
Preflop this deserves no comment whatsoever. The fact that you feel you need to explain overlimping in this spot show how nitty this forum is.

Rest of the hand is good. For 3 people to be putting in aggressive action like this there should generally be either an overfull out or a fouled deck. Having said that, you obviously can't fold since people suck and can have whatever.

FWIW I would guess you are against 4s full. Player likely (should?) have like A44cc or something and just bingoed the turn.
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09-25-2017 , 03:45 AM
Not sure wht you call it "top underfull", you have the 4th nuts.

Preflop easy call, your hand is not bad at all on the button.

I probably play rest of hand the same as well.
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09-25-2017 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RolldUpTrips
Preflop this deserves no comment whatsoever. The fact that you feel you need to explain overlimping in this spot show how nitty this forum is.

Rest of the hand is good. For 3 people to be putting in aggressive action like this there should generally be either an overfull out or a fouled deck. Having said that, you obviously can't fold since people suck and can have whatever.

FWIW I would guess you are against 4s full. Player likely (should?) have like A44cc or something and just bingoed the turn.
Yup. Well played.
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09-25-2017 , 10:14 AM
Hero's play on all streets is fine, except on the turn.

On turn Hero loses to 4, chops with 2, and beats the rest 3 full houses. 3-betting turn is a bit too aggressive, unless Hero has a specific read on the two villains, like they overplay on turn with hands such as A3xx or flush+low draw or 34xx or whatever combos.

Now that low draw is present on turn too but Hero doesn't have, it's time to slow down.
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09-25-2017 , 03:03 PM
Putting in a third bet on the turn is a bit optimistic. Against good players (which we can not assume from op) both 99xx and 44xx can be discounted but hero can still chop high with another 93xx and has no shot at a low. Also aside from a 9,3 or t on the river, hero is likely going to want to play defensively.

As played, would call the river. If hero flatted the turn, raising safe river is more interesting but might still be too optimistic. And we value town ourselves real hard when a277 scoops an innocous looking river, etc.


Limping the btn is also standard. With a suited ace, I'd generally raise.
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09-25-2017 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Not sure wht you call it "top underfull", you have the 4th nuts.
because it's the best underfull.
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09-25-2017 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
because it's the best underfull.
Never heard that terminology. I would have thought it meant the second nuts, not the fourth.
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09-25-2017 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketKings
Hero's play on all streets is fine, except on the turn.

On turn Hero loses to 4, chops with 2, and beats the rest 3 full houses. 3-betting turn is a bit too aggressive, unless Hero has a specific read on the two villains, like they overplay on turn with hands such as A3xx or flush+low draw or 34xx or whatever combos.

Now that low draw is present on turn too but Hero doesn't have, it's time to slow down.
FWIW, slowing down might not save hero any money since if MP is willing to cap, surely he was willing to 3-bet. Maybe MP+1 flats that and saves a BB...

Sent via 2 tin cans and a string
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09-26-2017 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Never heard that terminology. I would have thought it meant the second nuts, not the fourth.
threes full of anything would be an underfull on this board
fours, sevens or nines full would be an overfull

obviously overfulls are much more powerful.

i learnt this terminology in the Omaha section in Super System 2.
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09-27-2017 , 03:15 PM
I just call turn as well. I don't expect to get 1/2 that often on river but still call.
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