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06-19-2019 , 10:53 AM
Video game hand. 9 handed.

"Humberto Brenes" limps UTG.
Folds to "Phil Laak" in the CO who limps.
BTN Folds.
Hero is in the SB with A4T2 and raises.
BB ("Claire Gowen") and limpers all call

8sb, flop 2TJ
Hero checks, CG checks, HB checks, PL bets.

Seems like an easy call - NFD in a 4-way pot, backdoor second-nut low draw, pair of Ts, plenty of equity to take a card off given how rarely the other 2 villains checkraise, and even if they do that's not terrible.

Oops - don't have time to post the rest of the hand but the turn was the 5 check check PL bets I have an easy call other 2 villains fold

River Qs completely screwing me - villain has shown willingness to fold, do I take a stab at it?
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06-19-2019 , 02:41 PM
you flopped pretty strongly and I don't care much whether you bet or check. between the HHL and the L being a 2 checking works a little better, generally. Betting into a field with a reliable jammer/free carder on your right would make sense.

But now that you've checked and Phil has bet last to act, you should raise. You would really like almost any Jxxx and many Txxx to fold as well as A3 and A4. If they come along that's not a bad result either and better than if you had only caused one bet to go in with a flop bet.

Turn is fine.

River bet as a bluff with this hand would be extremely poor. Kr bluff is way more interesting, imo. This hand is too weak to bet for value and would be near the top of a call range. you block diamonds but none of the straight draws so could be worthwhile. open to thoughts on that.
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06-19-2019 , 03:47 PM
Why wouldn't you just bet the flop? I have to think your equity is way ahead of every villain's range here. You realize you have two pair, right?

I would keep betting out on the turn. As played, calling is fine.

Heads-up on the river, I think as played you have a pretty clear bluff catcher; I would check/call.
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06-19-2019 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
You realize you have two pair, right?
I'm either going blind or I'm misremembering the flop. There was definitely a 2 on the flop. It's entirely possible I had 2 pair and didn't even notice.
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06-20-2019 , 02:29 AM
You raised preflop, so you're the aggressor. The flop hit you hard; why are you taking your foot off the gas? Either bet or check-raise flop. Then bet turn and bet river on pretty much all runouts unless someone plays back at you on the flop or turn.

Let's say that the turn and river are both low cards. Do you want one of your opponents to call the flop with A3 or A4? No, you don't. That's a reason to check-raise the flop—to chase out the low draws that beat or tie you.

And what if you don't improve, as happened here? Let's say you're heads-up on the river against someone who has position on you and a better two pair (JT, J2, or maybe Q5 or Q2 after his KQ fails to make a flush or straight). You're not going to be able to check-raise that player on the river because that player is not going to bet the river.

You can get a bluff through in low-stakes Omaha occasionally, but you often have to bet all three streets to get it done. And if you're called, so what? Once your opponents know you're capable of betting missed draws, they'll be more likely to call you light when you have the nuts.

As played, yes, bet river. You raised preflop; you can easily represent AK here.

P.S.: Did Clonie change her name to Claire? I hadn't heard about that.
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06-20-2019 , 10:54 AM
Clonie, claire, what's the difference FLO8 NFD BD2NLD 4 ways

I'm misreporting the hand somehow. I could swear all I had on the flop was the pair of 2s, nut flush draw and backdoor low draw. Is that still enough hand to keep my foot on the gas post flop multiway?

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06-20-2019 , 07:24 PM
You can check-call until you make a nut hand of some kind and then lead out. You'll sometimes win a small pot that way, or a fraction of a small pot.

But if you keep your foot on the gas, you'll now have two ways to win the pot: by making a nut hand or by getting everyone else to fold. And when you do win, the pot will be larger and you'll be less likely to have to split it with someone.

You've offered very little information about your (imaginary) opponents' tendencies, but you have said that they rarely check-raise and that the flop bettor has shown a willingness to fold. So counter their passivity with aggression.

Raising pre and then check-calling the flop lets everyone know that you've got an A2 type holding. Whereas showing consistent aggression postflop will keep them guessing. Did you flop a set? Maybe something like AKQx with the nut flush draw? If you can get two pair to fold when you miss all your draws, that's a huge win.

Aggression pays off in all forms of poker, including Omaha.
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