BB is a tough player.

More general question...About what percentage of hands you guys open on Button HUHU?

93.50%

I'd def raise said hand.

~90%

So I play basically no HU O8. I'd imagine you are playing virtually every hand on the button, and in the BB you are almost never folding to a raise.

Given that raising from the button has no fold equity, I don't get why you would raise a bottom 20% hand. Why not just limp?

Why would you put more money in the pot when you know your opponent's range has a equity advantage and is never folding? And given that the middle range of O8 has pretty huge board coverage, I don't see how you would be giving up much information by limping with a pretty broad set of mediocre stuff.

Honestly, the whole preflop portion of this game sounds pretty stupid to me.

(That said, I would certainly raise this hand.)

If you are going to raise your strong hands and limp your weak ones, you are not going to fare very well HU

Well that's the obvious response that would apply to just about any poker game. But I don't feel like it applies that well to O8.

For one thing, you're playing virtually every hand, and your opponent is almost never folding, so I don't see what advantage raising every hand has over limping every hand.

And if it is right for the button to raise everything, wouldn't that make it right for the BB to reraise almost everything? Wouldn't he be giving away the same info by only flat calling some hands and reraising others that the button would be giving away by mixing his play?

And even if you were to raise your "strong" hands and limp your "weak" hands, it doesn't seem like this would give your opponent that much info about how your hand connects to any particular flop. It's not like you would only be raising low hands and limping high hands. Both ranges would include a pretty wide mix of almost all card combinations. Even if this was slightly unbalanced, you could balance it by mixing in limping with a few combos of very strong hands.

Again, I never play HU, but I am interested in a little more detail about the theory here.

I agree with you Nick. Raising entire range doesn't seem to make sense from a theoretical standpoint unless the big blind is folding too many hands. Let's assume he is playing correctly in that regard so take that off the table.

The most basic tenet of poker is to put more money in with your better hands than your weaker ones unless there are valid reasons not to do so. As you mentioned your limping range can hit any board.

I'm not sure how villains typically play from the BB, whether they 3 bet some hands or just flat the entire range. But if they are 3 betting their better hands you are avoiding putting more money in bad. And if they are flatting their entire range your limping strategy is giving them two options:

1. Check and play a tiny pot with a premium hand.
2. Raise and play a bigger pot but give out info because the more premium hands have more combinations of low cards.

this is how i see it and often how i play these situations

in HU situations, very few villains i've seen will flat their strongest ranges. like i almost never see a guy show me any A2 combo come showdown that was flatted pre.

if anything people go way crazy 3 betting to expand their range so the 3bs include those high hands. but on the same token i tend to see the super weakest parts of their range leftover, so the times i do see them just flat, they tend to be on their junkiest of cards.

anyone itt down to play huhu 30/60 on ignition?
like a 5k freezeout or something of that sort?