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Old 08-10-2017, 10:10 AM   #1
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Fixed limit. The donk bet.

I am considering the donk bet, in theory.

Specific to fixed limit Omaha 8b...

I am considering that since many hands and actions on a given street are mostly pure solutions, that the strategy on the next street should include donk bet as a valid strategy.

What I mean is that so much changes on the flop versus preflop, that a player who is first to act may be closer to optimal by donk betting a range of holdings.

In theory, there should be a "donk range" that includes a lot of nice draws and nutted hands that have increased in strength but would be happy to win the hand immediately and avoid a possible split pot at showdown.

These hands would rather win now instead of check-raise and barrel off.

In fixed limit, why are we allowing a preflop raiser to control the hand, just because they might have had a slightly better hand in position preflop?

What about the turn?

Say we "play along" and check-call on the flop, and the turn improves our draws but we are still drawing.

A donk bet on the turn, against a reasonable opponent who would cbet a wide range on the flop, could win the hand outright. Of course we can call if raised, and both players should realize that much.

I feel that avoiding donk bets in fixed limit is arbitrary and possibly non-optimal.


Any thoughts?

Also please specify if your thoughts are for higher stakes tough games or lower stakes fishy games.


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Old 08-10-2017, 10:22 AM   #2
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Re: Fixed limit. The donk bet.

All good players have the donk bet in their arsenal. I use it more (with both draws and nutted hands) vs good players than bad for reasons that should be obvious.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:21 PM   #3
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Re: Fixed limit. The donk bet.

The term "donk bet" is pretty much exclusive to holdem. There are many times one should bet into the raiser in an O8 game, because hand values change a lot more after the flop, and the preflop raiser will not be c-betting nearly as often.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:24 AM   #4
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Fixed limit. The donk bet.

--welp----

just shows some basic ways I still need to improve in my FLO8 adventures.

I really do love it though. Fascinating game, and if (when) I get gud it should also be potentially very profitable.

Thanks for your replies!

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Old 08-11-2017, 11:45 AM   #5
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Re: Fixed limit. The donk bet.

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The term "donk bet" is pretty much exclusive to holdem. There are many times one should bet into the raiser in an O8 game, because hand values change a lot more after the flop, and the preflop raiser will not be c-betting nearly as often.
Disagree with first part, agree with the rest. Any time you lead into the bettor, it's a donk bet.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:50 AM   #6
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Fixed limit. The donk bet.

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Disagree with first part, agree with the rest. Any time you lead into the bettor, it's a donk bet.


For replay analysis it is just easier to say "donk" instead of "lead bet into preflop raiser"

And for reasons you alluded to earlier, I think donking most flops you like would be -EV versus having a more finely tuned "donk range"



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Re: Fixed limit. The donk bet.

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Disagree with first part, agree with the rest. Any time you lead into the bettor, it's a donk bet.
You can call it that if it's easier, but I believe the original reason for the term when used in holdem was that the play was usually believed to be a bad one, made by donk(ey)s, when a check-raise would have been better. Where I don't think that has ever been the standard opinion for O8, at least not for live, full ring, games.
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