so i'm finally humming along at one of these O8 puppies and i run into this situation. did i dump or does he wake up with AAxy seldom enough?

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Tournament - t4000/t8000 Blinds - 9 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP2: t80170
CO: t77429
Hero (BTN): t146956
SB: t35684
BB: t140955
UTG: t66900
UTG+1: t147650
UTG+2: t60389
MP1: t31867

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with K A Q 4
6 folds, Hero raises to t19800, SB raises to t35684 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls t15884

Flop: (t79368) 6 3 Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t79368) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t79368) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Easy call. Even if he shows AAxy you have to call because he is so short.

I would also call if he had a deeper stack because hand values heads up in O8 run very close. I think late in a PLO8/NLO8-tourney you just have to gamble in these spots.

It's a cooler for the SB to be sitting with AA. Even if you knew he has AA3x, you easily have pot odds to call.

Yes I know it was an easy call, but was I messing around and raising too light to begin with by making the initial raise?

entirely dependent on how the Big blind is playing, he has a great stack to reship you light, but if he's like most other 5nlo8 tourney players, he's not aware of that, and prob wont be messing with u (another big stack) as he'd rather wait till a couple of shorties go out and move up in the payscale, if he's the 2nd kind of player, this is a must raise spot, wp'd

edited to note i love your raise size, no need to put it a ton, big deal if he calls oop, its profitable for u, as he's likely checkfolding the majority of flops, and also he's likely to either fold or raise, and since we're gonna fold if he raises its best to make our raise as small as possible

I haven't read the other responses and haven't looked at the spoiler, but this sounds suspiciously like a bad beat story as opposed to a real question. Yes, you should have done everything you did, and even if villain had AA2x, your pot odds were probably not incorrect even then.

Now I'll read the rest....

Edit: The only thing I have to add is that is totally a raising hand on the button after 6 folds. You shouldn't doubt that for a second.

i won't any more thanks to you!

oops after reading ari's post, i realized it is NL not PL. is there a way i could change that in the thread title?

There's no way for you to change it, but I can and will - at least so that it reads NL for the thread title in the main forum. Looks like I'd have edit into each individual post to change the title on them all at this point. But at least I changed it in the main thread title. (I'm not sure why the change didn't take in all the sub-posts within the thread). - Buzz

When you ask questions like this, do not include the results. Also don't include flop, turn and river. We only need to know the preflop action.

ahhhhhhh, ty. advice noted. will try to remember to do that.

actually, i think it is relevant to provide the results in a certain respect, as it gives a more full perspective of what inspired op to create the thread. it's sad to say, but if i had him dominated and rolled on to a victory, i probably wouldn't have posted this thread at all.

but in this case, i would hope others would read the results and think... "ok, so that's this guy's problem, he's a pussy and scared about walking into guys who wake up with huge hands. i can address that, and can construct my response accordingly, to encourage or discourage concepts based on the elements that i anticipate he is most confused about judging from the results of the hand." if not, no problem. i know i run a high risk of having people disregard the theme of the thread in total simply because they write it off as bad beat whining.

but the educative nature of the posts that do come across can be improved as tuned more highly to the reason why i made the post because they see the results. i definitely gained a sense of this throughout the responses in this thread.

if people don't agree with this, please let me know. and i'm not saying that i'll always post results, just when it might help highlight my confusion in a more direct and perspective oriented sense.

thanks,

You are correct. Most of the time we take a flip, win it and rarely second guess ourselves, which is why we seldom improve our skills when winning.

However, if you have a question about a specific decision you made, you will affect the answers everytime you provide information that you did not have at the moment of decision.

If your question is really 'Was this a correct decision with all of our cards face up?', then that's a totally different question.

On the plus side, you did put the results in a spoiler.

Still, a spoiler tends to make a bunch of us roll our eyes and think 'oh brother, here comes another thinly disguised bad beat story.'

I'm too tired to form paragraphs tonight. I still believe in punctuation though.

I'd get it in, you're ahead of most any hand except AA.

ty - keep driving it home. maybe i'll learn. i donked baaaad today.