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Old 10-09-2018, 02:35 PM   #26
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Re: Examples of calling range against Maniac in several situations

Cant fold river against agro fish y?
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Old 10-09-2018, 05:02 PM   #27
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Re: Examples of calling range against Maniac in several situations

Can't fold against nits either.
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Old 10-13-2018, 01:15 PM   #28
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Re: Examples of calling range against Maniac in several situations

Agro potbeter so i decided to counter-attack and think that he will fold a lot of rivers after turn call if low card not come. Unlucky
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Old 10-13-2018, 04:12 PM   #29
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Re: Examples of calling range against Maniac in several situations

should I have folded here or cooler? villain is a high stakes baller so I not sure

PokerStars Hand #192143129217: Tournament #2424126575, $50+$50+$9 USD Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2018/10/13 21:52:33 CET [2018/10/13 15:52:33 ET]
Table '2424126575 3' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PokinStaR (17256 in chips, $50 bounty)
Seat 2: LeaD25 (13807 in chips, $75 bounty)
Seat 3: Jhedman20 (16554 in chips, $87.50 bounty)
Seat 4: wadzon (11291 in chips, $50 bounty)
Seat 6: Slavik_Krs (13091 in chips, $50 bounty)
Seat 7: spanisfish91 (12287 in chips, $50 bounty)
Seat 8: doah1414 (14741 in chips, $50 bounty)
Seat 9: billygstar (10000 in chips, $50 bounty)
Slavik_Krs: posts small blind 50
spanisfish91: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billygstar [Ks 3h Ah 2s]
doah1414: raises 100 to 200
billygstar: raises 550 to 750
PokinStaR: raises 1850 to 2600
LeaD25: folds
Jhedman20: folds
wadzon: folds
Slavik_Krs: folds
spanisfish91: folds
doah1414: calls 2400
billygstar: calls 1850
*** FLOP *** [Ad 4h Th]
doah1414: checks
billygstar: checks
PokinStaR: bets 7950
doah1414: folds
billygstar: calls 7400 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (550) returned to PokinStaR
*** TURN *** [Ad 4h Th] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 4h Th 9d] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billygstar: shows [Ks 3h Ah 2s] (HI: two pair, Aces and Tens)
PokinStaR: shows [4c Ac As 9s] (HI: a full house, Aces full of Tens)
PokinStaR collected 22750 from pot
No low hand qualified
PokinStaR wins $25 for eliminating billygstar and their own bounty increases by $25 to $75
billygstar finished the tournament
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 22750 | Rake 0
Board [Ad 4h Th 9d Td]
Seat 1: PokinStaR showed [4c Ac As 9s] and won (22750) with HI: a full house, Aces full of Tens
Seat 2: LeaD25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Jhedman20 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: wadzon (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Slavik_Krs (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: spanisfish91 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: doah1414 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: billygstar showed [Ks 3h Ah 2s] and lost with HI: two pair, Aces and Tens
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:38 AM   #30
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Re: Examples of calling range against Maniac in several situations

Get it in pre to eliminate his skill advantage.
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Old 10-14-2018, 02:29 AM   #31
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Get it in pre to eliminate his skill advantage.

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Old 10-14-2018, 02:36 AM   #32
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@billygstar

Why you are trying to troll me if for me is not even funny? Maybe i'am wrong but that's how it looks.
I have very big problems with myself which causes that I can not play good poker. Every fish is better than me even if he does not know what he is doing, he plays better than me.

I did not play on pokerstars for last 7 days because it stresses me a lot. I play less but it does not help.

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Old 10-15-2018, 08:18 AM   #33
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Err I wasn't trying to troll you. Chill.
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Old 10-23-2018, 09:24 AM   #34
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No idea how always he can have a hand and what sense is to bet 3x big bets with nut straight if he want to get value especially on river
and how often he can bluff with blockers in spots like this (55x)


This is annoying. He always bets large and is very aggressive. fk this game.

how I did such a profit if now i have problems with everything?


I can not focus. I am annoyed by the aggression of opponents. I believe I am able to get back on the right track soon :/

Yes im crying boy
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Old 10-23-2018, 12:22 PM   #35
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Re: Examples of calling range against Maniac in several situations

Because of variance. You are certainly not a bad player, but 65% ROI? Jesus.

About the hand - I think you just need to call this down against an aggressive opponent. It's one of the best hands you can ever have (especially if you have raising ranges on flop or turn, but I don't think you do).
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Old 10-24-2018, 04:17 AM   #36
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Re: Examples of calling range against Maniac in several situations

IM bad if i play vs extremely agro player and trying to call him down with marginal hands on short table.

About hand. Really dunno. I started to believe he overplays his nuts. It seemed incredible to me he can bluff like this from 4 way pot on the flop. I was afraid he had a set with a blocker, so I will not win over half the pot. Much easier hand to call if is hu or so.
I should play confidently and definitely, risk a lot. Pay a few times and draw conclusions

I still have impression that i fold way to much in postflop game with hands like Q235 and if i play and try play much wider.

For example i call pre with QJTK and flop is Q32 fd and agro donk bets 2/3 of the pot. I sometimes know im ahead but the problem is he will barell a lot so sooner or later I will fold this on the turn or river. Burning chips...

Trying to play like pokinstar. Defend wide, call wide but it does not pass the exam cause I fold too much.
I do not know how he does it. His style of the game is very variance and he spazz a lot of hands, but he also deep a lot of major tournaments so his strategy is effective.

I know that Regs on party are weak, especially I notice this when they call 3 Bets wide and call too wide for any price without an ace. They overplays a lot of hands. A2 low draw for them is must call to the river for any prize.

I will try to change my style to be more courageous, maybe I will stop win money but fk it.

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I do not talk to anyone about the game and maybe because of that I'm not sure how to play best game. There are not many Polish players with whom you can talk.
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Old 10-24-2018, 09:05 AM   #37
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IM bad if i play vs extremely agro player and trying to call him down with marginal hands on short table.
No, it is not bad. If someone is "aggro" he bets too wide, which means you need to defend wider.

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About hand. Really dunno. I started to believe he overplays his nuts. It seemed incredible to me he can bluff like this from 4 way pot on the flop. I was afraid he had a set with a blocker, so I will not win over half the pot. Much easier hand to call if is hu or so.
I should play confidently and definitely, risk a lot. Pay a few times and draw conclusions
While his river sizing is big, I wouldn't say betting the nuts like that is overplaying his nuts. His range is polarized (or that is what big bet is supposed to mean), but as you note, heavily weighed towards nuts due to being 4-way on the flop. Anyway, if he ends up to the river with other hands, potting them is not horrible in any way, especially if you raise some hands on flop+turn (you didn't respond to this).

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I still have impression that i fold way to much in postflop game with hands like Q235 and if i play and try play much wider.

For example i call pre with QJTK and flop is Q32 fd and agro donk bets 2/3 of the pot. I sometimes know im ahead but the problem is he will barell a lot so sooner or later I will fold this on the turn or river. Burning chips...
Depends also a lot if you are IP or OOP. Much harder to realize your equity OOP.
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Trying to play like pokinstar.
Don't.
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Defend wide, call wide but it does not pass the exam cause I fold too much.
I do not know how he does it. His style of the game is very variance and he spazz a lot of hands, but he also deep a lot of major tournaments so his strategy is effective.
Yes. Variance.
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I know that Regs on party are weak, especially I notice this when they call 3 Bets wide and call too wide for any price without an ace. They overplays a lot of hands. A2 low draw for them is must call to the river for any prize.

I will try to change my style to be more courageous, maybe I will stop win money but fk it.
You keep saying other people are aggro, overplay their hands etc. I haven't seen hands like that on this thread. Maybe you are just a nit?
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Old 10-24-2018, 12:22 PM   #38
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You keep saying other people are aggro, overplay their hands etc. I haven't seen hands like that on this thread. Maybe you are just a nit?
Probably yes i started to play a little bit tighter.I will change it soon.
I did not save hands with overplays. I will try to collect some.
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Old 10-24-2018, 01:01 PM   #39
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I know what im doing wrong. I give up too easy turns/rivers in many scenarios, when possible low is complete and opponent can easy fire with A3 A4 A5 with large bets. Large bets is not always means that he have 2nd,3rd low and want make me fold. If he do it with high frequency he can have much more hands like some paired lows , gunshots, combo **** draws. The Key is position because for him is not a big deal, if face 3bet easy fold for him. If someone calls him twice he can easy decide and check back or fire again. I just need to choose the right hands that have the potential to improve. Sometimes I need call 3 streets even if my hand is marginal on the river because if i fold to many rivers i waste money. Is all about understating the ranges and equity.

My health is weaker which translates into concentration. Poor concentration is a much weaker game under pressure and playing with being tight.

It needs peace, self-control and a cool mind. More analysis, and do not get upset. Need to find some soulmate with which I will talk about the game.

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Old 10-25-2018, 04:04 AM   #40
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No idea how always he can have a hand and what sense is to bet 3x big bets with nut straight if he want to get value especially on river
and how often he can bluff with blockers in spots like this (55x)


This is annoying. He always bets large and is very aggressive. fk this game.

how I did such a profit if now i have problems with everything?


I can not focus. I am annoyed by the aggression of opponents. I believe I am able to get back on the right track soon :/

Yes im crying boy
Err variance maybe
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Old 10-25-2018, 04:24 AM   #41
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Pretty funny really. You come in this thread in tears about how everyone so aggro and you cant play against them etc etc and you cant handle the swings mentally yet you have consistently attained 50+ % roi which probably means you run **** good.


Could be this is one huge troll. If not wipe you eyes and play and post hand strat and maybe without all the crying ppl may actually post their opinions(other than Amok although you're doing well to get his feedback)

If you cannot handle it mentally at the rate you are running and probably playing ok by the looks of it then imo you should look to find something else less stressful or play lower buyins.

Even the part about trying to play like pokinstar is a troll alert ha
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Old 10-25-2018, 01:12 PM   #42
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I don't think he is trolling. Variance is just very hard to understand, especially if you've been enjoying the good side of it for the most part.
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Old 10-26-2018, 09:40 AM   #43
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I don't think he is trolling. Variance is just very hard to understand, especially if you've been enjoying the good side of it for the most part.
Yeah I don't really think it is and I know the player fairly well from Pokerstars.

Almost seems like it could be though as some funnies in there

And yeah id guess that the majority of poor players hitting 50+ long term ROI's don't understand variance until they start seeing the other side of it and either go busto or learn pretty quickly and adapt.

(not referring to you Profek b4 you get too upset with me)
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