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Examples of calling range against Maniac in several situations Examples of calling range against Maniac in several situations

08-30-2018 , 04:32 AM
I need your opinion because there are always aggressive players (include ultra maniacs ) on the table and with these aggressive maniacs I have a big trouble sometimes because I have a lot of problem with myself and my concentration

The biggest problem is to play against them on blinds or bvb spots . Especially on big blind when im OOP .Even if i cut my range and limit it to all good combos and low cards wheel combos like 2354 and KQ32 is not easy to play against them .

Is usually like this: I call pre with like KQ24 then is often check/fold flop or at the latest check/fold turn. In most cases, I will not keep up the hand against massive aggression. I am not able to stay up to the last street.

I often let go on the turn because I think this way, very often a low card will fall on the river on which most cases will improve his aggression.

It looks like I need really strong combos to keep going in the hand.
Otherwise, I will waste my money against players like this.

The problem is that it is terribly frustrating. I do not want to play like a pussy and play tight and wait for my chances. I believe that it is possible to play well on very wide ranges...

Look Pokinstars he looks like ultra cs and spazzer. I saw many situations where I was shocked with what hands he played, A lof of spazzy game , a lot of good plays. He wins a lot with such a variational and risky game. He looks like a player who has a big idea for the game

Going back to the main thread...
I will show you an example of agro maniac. rather not too good

imagine that I am his opponent in every spot

What is your calling range on the river? Give some examples. For me he looks extremally bluffy in this spot. He can easily have like AT93 and call flop , leads turn and bluffy river. It's very hard to believe him here in AK , even K9 probably not play this size. Do you ever call there with single pair like AQ45 ( AQ49 is better hand to call )or no club blocker or you need straight blockers or minumum 2 pairs there ?

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08-30-2018 , 04:35 AM
What is your calling there? hands like Q54x . KK+ , every full house , every trips.
I ask because he also has a lot of 2x there including a lot of busted draws
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08-30-2018 , 04:39 AM
He often play like this



or is good example he bluff way too much
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08-30-2018 , 04:44 AM
Terrible no sense bluff against player who has a little bit less than pot size bet

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08-30-2018 , 04:48 AM
This is nothing because there are a lot of better players who use their aggression more consciously. This is about the fact that you often play a lot of tables and it is much harder.

I hope you understand cause my english is so bad.

Last edited by profek20; 08-30-2018 at 05:06 AM.
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08-30-2018 , 10:27 AM
1) I think AQ9x is a decent call. Note that especially if you think villain is bluffing a lot, you can bluff raise regardless of your hand.

2) any 2 is obviously a call. Most Q's, too.

3) hard to say anything. Most players have way too weak checkback ranges so it's just a good spot to bluff for villain.

4) cbet is a small mistake against SB, but if caller was BB I'd say it's ok. He can barrel any high card and any pairing card.

5) I'd say it's a good bluff. CO often has AK or AA and it's tough to call. Even if his actual hand is close to same in strength the fact that he blocks two pair hands make it a good call. edit: I think CO plays it a bit strange though, flop is easy getin with the whole range.

I see nothing maniacal or bad at these hands.
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08-30-2018 , 11:06 AM
i had some history with this donk and bealive me he is so retarted maniac. I do not use hud and my histories on party was removed. If i find some interesting hand i will post it in this thread

If you play on pokerstars sometimes you you probably know Elabuga. Is a good example of ultra maniac player.

I checked your pokerstars and 2 + 2 history and you look like a very good player. Do you give coaching in omaha8?
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08-30-2018 , 11:55 AM
Sorry for double post. believe* , ******ed*

What do I mean by the word Maniac?
This is the type of poker behavior in which the opponent wants to win every hand. bluffs way to much. his aggression is unlimited.

Last edited by profek20; 08-30-2018 at 12:01 PM.
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08-30-2018 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by profek20
If you play on pokerstars sometimes you you probably know Elabuga. Is a good example of ultra maniac player.
I've certainly played with him, but I play almost only hypers on stars so it's mostly pre-flop allin or fold.

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Originally Posted by profek20
I checked your pokerstars and 2 + 2 history and you look like a very good player. Do you give coaching in omaha8?
Thanks. Currently I don't give coaching and I don't think it will change.
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09-08-2018 , 07:53 PM
WTF??? Near bubble 109 pot limt omaha. Next time i can 3bet bluff with A2 in spots like this lol , especially against big blind when he have much less A2xx

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09-08-2018 , 08:22 PM
Well, this is how many tournament players play and think. Others check -> they must have nothing -> I bet. Usually they give up after you call once though.

Not going to really comment on pre-flop because I play a different strategy, post-flop certainly wp.
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09-08-2018 , 09:47 PM
What do you think about this spot ? Very loose agro chipleader with huge chiplead over all players. I wanted to go bet flop, potbet on most turns but the turn card is very bad for me so i slowdown. There is no sense to 2nd barell on this card beacsue he have a lot of 2x in his range. On the river he potbets .

I was on timebank for like minute and i was close to call this
I really dont know. I just fold beacsue of payjump beetwen 9 and 10 place.
He have a lot of 2435 , 435x and hands like this.
The a little bit problem is i block some of his draws with my "4" in my hand. However, I do not think he should pobet his valuerange there, trips and fullhouses so his sizing is very weird. If im on his place i go like 200k to get value from 2 pairs like AK.

Why i think this way? Is beacsue I can still have some good hands on the turn with which and checkback. AA , A243 5432. and is hard to get value if he potbet lol. He dont have ACES , If he have A2 why potbet? For me is no sense. If not payjump i probably call.this off , But better hand to call with is AQKT than AQ4 which i block some low draws.

Correct me if im wrong

109$ PLO8


150$ payjump and probably one shortstack on like 5-6bb in that time.

Last edited by profek20; 09-08-2018 at 09:55 PM.
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09-08-2018 , 10:02 PM
I think folding is OK and your reasons for it make sense.
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09-08-2018 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
I think folding is OK and your reasons for it make sense.
Do you also have the impression that he is bluffing?
What is your experience in this type of spots? (Against agro chipleaders , in high bi MTT )
definitely a difficult situation.

if i call successfully this pot will take me on FT most likely.
And just wonder if it was worth taking a chance.

Last edited by profek20; 09-08-2018 at 10:33 PM.
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09-08-2018 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by profek20
Do you also have the impression that he is bluffing?
What is your experience in this type of spots? (Against agro chipleaders , in high bi MTT )
definitely a difficult situation.
Well, I do think some players overbluff in such situations, but it's OK if players in Hero's shoes underdefend. I don't think his sizing is bad at all to be honest. Hero is "capping his range" with a turn check to mostly top pairs so it makes sense for him to choose a big sizing IMO.
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09-24-2018 , 06:47 PM
Ultra agro player , often pot raise pre and a lot of potbets postflop.
I really dont know how is possible to always have a hand.

no idea how to play vs maniacaly agresson
It's hard for me to focus on it , im so bad lol
i do not have skills to call 3 times on extremally scary boads...
I know that I realize that people can bluff 3 times with draws and overbluffing , overplaying in many situations.

This game causes me depression. I'm nervous all the time and I've stopped winning so much as before. (especially on party poker , i was crushing omaha fields and now im ****)

I started to play poorly through the nerves.
I've stopped thinking logically, it's easy to get me out of balance
FK my life , fk this game really.

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09-24-2018 , 06:56 PM
Sorry to hear that. Hand is wp I think. Think what hands you can have here. You probably should never raise the flop against such player. Maybe that's where the mistake is? Your range is too weak on many boards because you fast play all your strongest hands, a smart maniac picks up on that and profits by barreling near 100%?
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09-24-2018 , 07:48 PM
I did not call the 2nd barell beacuse i think if i call potbet on the flop im strongly connected with this board with many tens in my range so. But if you see that agression
you start to imagine that the impossible can become possible , somenthing totally of ouf lane. You see someone is agressive but bad you didint see many showdowns and can be sure about your hero calling plays.

The second think is: more bluffy lane is like half pot bet or 3/4 bet flop ,potbet turn.
I feel that I am better than most players on the party. Unfortunately, I do not show it


Bad play . Should check back turn against maniac to protect my equity. I dont have a hand vs possible lead bluffs on the river. I have some better thands to barell and hero call river like ATT2 and some other.




the bad play of the day. Is beacsue he potbet all the time and i block AK
I wanted to believe that it might work. I lost control
(bad iso pre also)




Soon I will buy private English lessons to improve and in the meantime, I need to sleep because I have enough for today.

Last edited by profek20; 09-24-2018 at 07:57 PM.
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09-24-2018 , 07:55 PM
1) I think betting the turn is OK.

2) It's not a horrible call at all given reads.
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09-25-2018 , 03:28 AM
as you can see a weak reads
I am a very weak observer
I will try to keep playing but I'm a pessimist
New day, new opening, new hopes...
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09-27-2018 , 02:39 PM
Agro calling station who open way to many hands.

Should i go all in pre and dont care about small payjump or because my fold equity is marginal against this type of player i have to call and try to hit good flops?

If i flat he can easy put preassure on me and i just play fit or fold mostly . Payjump is just like 15$~

https://www.boomplayer.com/28877279_85FCE4240C
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09-29-2018 , 12:00 AM
Wp I think, though certainly shoving wins chips.
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10-02-2018 , 04:57 PM
11$ daily PLO HL
Big Multiway pot on FT. Im on shortack.
SlavaKosovets he participates in most hands so i dont care about his range.
I dont care about big blind range.
I just care about FunkPodcha range but his bet size on the turn is looks more like a draw hand.

I play for everything because I do not want to give good prize for the rest of the opponents. Pot is large. A3 low is good sometimes , i can hit ten , jack , 2 pairs.

Should I consider it as a cooler? 16% equity ehh
https://www.weaktight.com/h/5bb3d9afd39043c2268b4728
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10-02-2018 , 11:48 PM
I think pre is pretty interesting. With 20bb and a player who participates in too many pots I'd actually prefer folding. Your hand is certainly decent, but it's UTG and you are flipping against 22% range.

With certain assumptions I'm sure you can break even chipEV or even win chips by not folding turn, but I think it's a clear fold in a tournament.
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10-03-2018 , 03:29 AM
You mean i have too less blinds to show domination during 3 streets over donk who play like 80% hands.

So your range from utg in this spot is like A2x, good A3x hands, A23,A24,A25 to have a lot more possibilities on most boards.
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