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11-23-2015 , 02:59 PM
Fixed omaha 8 online .25/.50

AKJ7 in BB, 3 callers I check

flop: 10cQc5x

- checked around

Turn: 10h

- check, bet, call

I should fold this right? Or is two pair/set always betting the flop?
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11-23-2015 , 03:13 PM
first answer is depends

-important what suits you have because it affects what hands opponents can have

-opponents playing styles

second answer is, generally yeah don't draw to a straight on a paired board with a flush draw you dont have

however in this particular hand the opponent has trips, most likely, because there was no flop bet. but then again he can have a hand with 5Txx or something that had 2 pair on the flop with no flush draw or other draw, where it's basically not worth betting because it's so unlikely to be best on the river
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11-23-2015 , 04:06 PM
* taking control of the flop and folding off some of those hands(like hands that might contain middle pair) can actually improve your chances to making the best hand and to where you won't be overturned by a full house or even a weak flush draw.

* and although I'm not super crazy about this flop (because there is a flush draw present), now that the board has paired and someone is taking initiative...you could be drawing dead with your draw. If you thought the flop was ok for your hand, then bet it. Don't be a calling station in spots like this. Seriously.

Small pot+ added tainted outs= fold.

Last edited by Rush17; 11-23-2015 at 04:18 PM.
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11-23-2015 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AuroraHoldem
is two pair/set always betting the flop?
Often, but low pair T is not but now may be waking up.

You don't have odds to draw to the straight, even without the danger of hitting and losing.
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11-24-2015 , 01:09 AM
you're getting like 4:1 and q's can be somewhat discounted. very easy fold.
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11-24-2015 , 01:40 AM
you should keep in mind that players like to limp and overlimp 1way hi hands so you should expect him to fill up pretty much anytime you make your hand.
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11-24-2015 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
If you thought the flop was ok for your hand, then bet it. Don't be a calling station in spots like this. Seriously.
+1


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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
You don't have odds to draw to the straight, even without the danger of hitting and losing.
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Originally Posted by steveistheman84
you're getting like 4:1 and q's can be somewhat discounted. very easy fold.
Getting 4:1 why wouldn't he have odds to draw to the straight with a 13-card nut wrap? Agree with steve that it's a fold so I wouldn't, but it wouldn't be wrong on pot odds alone.
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11-25-2015 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AuroraHoldem
Fixed omaha 8 online .25/.50

AKJ7 in BB, 3 callers I check
Check by Hero in BB seems generally fine to me.

I'd like to know what the suits of your cards are. I think it matters. I'm going to assume you don't have a flush draw for clubs. Let's make your hand a rainbow for the purpose of this discussion.
AKJ7

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flop: 10cQc5x
And let's make the flop
10Q5

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- checked around
I would bet this flop. The essence of the game for me is reading my opponents and playing accordingly, and my playing style reflects that. Perhaps someone else with a different playing style from mine wouldn't need to bet this flop, but I would have trouble reading my opponents on later betting rounds if I checked this flop. Plus I think it's good to be aggressive (but not overly aggressive). At any rate, it would be a big mistake for me to check this flop.

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Turn: 10

- check, bet, call

I should fold this right?
Yes. I don't think you want to be drawing for a Broadway in Omaha-8 when the board is paired (and an opponent might have quads or a full house). In general, you don't want to be drawing dead. That is when you make your draw, you like it to win.

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Or is two pair/set always betting the flop?
I think it depends on the other individuals who have been dealt cards. Sometimes opponents slow play a flop fit for one round (which makes it harder to read them). Yeah, probably anyone who flopped two pair or a set would bet the flop, and some players will bet the flop simply if they intend to play beyond the flop.

Buzz
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11-25-2015 , 12:30 AM
I agree with Buzz here.
Check preflop, bet this flop, as played easy fold on the turn.
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