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did i get max value for my hand? (/ LO8) did i get max value for my hand? (/ LO8)

09-28-2017 , 01:56 PM
4/8 LO8 game

2 limps and I had Ad2d4dKd in LP so I raised it to 8. button blinds and limpers call. flop was KsKc8c. checks around. turn was the 4c. big blind bets 8 folds to me and I call. button and small blind fold. river was the 7c. big blind bets 8 and I raise to 16. he calls. he shows QQcJcT.

could I have gotten more if I had bet the flop or raised the turn?
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09-28-2017 , 09:26 PM
I can't imagine why you wouldn't bet the flop.
I could see the turn going either way depending on your read on the button and SB.

Last edited by NickMPK; 09-28-2017 at 09:34 PM.
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09-28-2017 , 09:45 PM
raise the turn, most villains don't b/f here, especially with trips and or lo draw
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09-28-2017 , 09:51 PM
This is not the game for slowplaying. People look for excuses to call, not excuses to fold.
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09-28-2017 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
raise the turn, most villains don't b/f here, especially with trips and or lo draw
I would definitely raise the turn if heads-up.
But there are still two other players in the hand, right? If you flat call, they might call behind drawing extremely thin, but are much more likely to fold if you raise. If you think they are the type of players who will call regardless of how many bets it is to them, go ahead and raise.

But there's really no justification for not betting the flop. The only players who would fold to this bet are players who were never going to put money in on any street. And many hands still have equity on this flop that it would be nice to protect against.
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09-28-2017 , 11:04 PM
I would not check the flop (we should be charging flush draws at least and worst made hands can also call) but if we are checking hands this strong we should be raising the turn often to protect the weaker parts of our range
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09-28-2017 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
I would not check the flop (we should be charging flush draws at least and worst made hands can also call) but if we are checking hands this strong we should be raising the turn often to protect the weaker parts of our range
It a 4-way pot in a live 4/8 game. There's little merit in worrying about protection your range.
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09-29-2017 , 04:24 AM
hey man

just bet the flop. ppl are gonna call or even raise with backdoor low, flush draws, over pairs, eights full, kxxx, even just two pair with the eight.

you're betting 4 into something like 40 or more. they are gonna see all those dollar chips vs your 4 and think "the hell with folding".

bet your hand man.

your hand isn't invulnerable either and it's a disaster to let people get there for free.

don't worry that you look like you have a hand. when anybody bets in a 5 or 6 way pot they look like they have a hand, but these multiway spots come up so often that there's a wide enough range of hands you would bet that people can call and not be too fussed. most people are gonna be calling even knowing that you have at least three kings and not giving a rat's ass about it.

play your hand aggressively, bet when checked to, raise if bet into!
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09-29-2017 , 09:28 AM
Your flop check is atrocious. As played, I think your turn call is also pretty bad.

My preferred line here is bet flop, c/r turn unless villain is super tight/passive.
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09-29-2017 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RichGangi
Your flop check is atrocious. As played, I think your turn call is also pretty bad.

My preferred line here is bet flop, c/r turn unless villain is super tight/passive.
Who are you refering to a "villain" here? If you bet the flop, you're likely to get multiple callers, most of whom you have position on, including of course the BB. Do you mean c/r the turn if the button calls your flop bet? This seems awfully risky.
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09-29-2017 , 11:31 AM
Oops, misread position. Not sure why you think we're likely to get multiple callers on this flop tho....

Def betting flop and agree with you that turn depends heavily on SB/BB tendencies.
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09-29-2017 , 05:34 PM
What do you guys think about preflop? I don't know what to do with hands that would otherwise seem good except all the cards are the same suit.
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09-29-2017 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
What do you guys think about preflop? I don't know what to do with hands that would otherwise seem good except all the cards are the same suit.
Preflop put in as many bets as they'll let you. AK42 is a great hand no matter how many suits you have.
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09-29-2017 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
What do you guys think about preflop? I don't know what to do with hands that would otherwise seem good except all the cards are the same suit.
You only lose about 1.5% equity vs having AdKd4c2s, and difference is even less pronounced with something limit-y like 7432. I fold them a lot less than I used to. But agree that AK42 is more than good enough to not matter anyway.
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09-29-2017 , 09:18 PM
i don't see how i could not raise > 3b > cap with this hand pre
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