I'm playing against a pretty straight-forward REG (25/15/4 over 4K hands). 3-bet from SB is also 4, so few hands that aren't AA.

Facing this bet on the turn I got a little confused. Surely he's not always betting aces now, and I also block broadway. Then again, what is he bluffing? Thinking back to his 3-bet pre it's hard to think of hands he'd wanna bluff like this. It feels ****ty folding here though.

Then on the river I thought about folding again but ended up tossing it in...

Thoughts?

3-bet from SB 4%, you don't block an ace... You are right, no way he has enough bluffs on that turn so I'd just fold there.

it appears you use HEM,
i'm curious if your database would support that it has been profitable for you calling a 3bet with a 4 broadway hand. or KK w/o a low draw?

you can filter for 'pfr=true', and 'called preflop 3bet=true' and then also filter for holecard parameters (iirc)
i'd also examine PL separately from NL and so also filter for PL.

willing to share?

I use PokerTracker.

If it's an option there I'd share the results.

i can't give you instructions how to 'filter' in pokertracker, unfortunately. i would if i could.

pokertracker has filter options ofc it varies depending upon what version you use.

perhaps someone will chime in (i'm dubious) or you can look for instruction on google.
"pokertracker using filters" for example

i would think learning to 'filter' would be of value to you as i suspect you have a reasonably large database.

I play little to no PL. Is pf always a call here?

Isn't AA a bluff (OK, semibluff) here on AKQ board? I am new for this game but fill like this.

In a 4 handed game where 2 people saw the flop you can't assume someone hit a gutshot on the turn when you still have the second nuts.

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Lol, yeah ok AA is a semi bluff here, it's trying to get ... uh... JT to fold?

On a more serious note, fold river at least. You block him trying to thin value bet AK, and if he has no bluffs.

AAxx is 2nd nuts and is drawing to the nuts, no way that could be described as a (semi-)bluff. Going bet-bet-bet with AAxx on this board is very standard.

Call preflop, turn is easy fold

is it really?

Since you bolded the river bet, I think that's what you have doubts on. Yes, IMO it's a very clear value bet and I suggest you try to figure out why on your own.

I would fold turn. Would consider a bluff raise if deeper, but at these stacks your FE against better is literally 0. You're drawing to 5 outs here almost always.

Gotta love it. The post below where someone says AA is a vbet for V otr, someone says to fold KK ott

Yes. That's why the fold on the turn is described as exploitative.

Also, get used to different people saying different things.

Yeah I mean just because we might exploit his range, doesn't mean the average player is going to. Likely no GTO solver worth its weight in garbage would give us any solution besides "call down" here.

But we aren't playing perfectly calibrated GTO bots, we're playing humans. From the POV of OP, we have, say, 10% equity against the range of hands villain is repping, so even if we say his bluffs have 10% equity (simple math), they need to be there ~ 25% of the time for us to continue, and OP says they likely aren't.

But from the POV of villain, our opponent has almost no JT in their range (as we can account for 3 aces, and there's very few playable hands preflop w/out an Ace that contain JT), so we should feel comfortable bet bet jamming. At these stacks, we'd lose it all anyway if he happens to have it, and we can't just assume people are making huge exploitative folding adjustments to us and end up nit-trapping ourselves.

Guess so....

Agreed, though I don't blame you for calling. Tis always much different in the heat of the moment.

I'm new to Omaha8 so I'm not super qualified to answer this, but I'd have a hard time seeing this hand get folded to a single 3b CO-SB HU.

how much are you folding preflop to 3bets?

doesn't the fact that Villain holds three of the As just make it all the more likely that Hero holds JT? Like I get what you're saying but the blocker effects go both ways...the effect you're describing may be stronger than the effect I'm describing...but it's close

I'm just not opening many JT hands relative to other hands.

If I give hero a range on the turn of KK, QQ, AKQ, AK9, and JT from the top 25% of hands, villain's AA43 has 58.67% equity. So sure the blocker stuff is in play, but villain is ahead often enough here to keep betting (I give us all the JT combos because flop sizing was so small). If you start adding some peels that turned into flush draws (like AhQJX w/ another heart), then we have slightly more equity.

So yeah, in PLO I think we should consider slowing down on the turn. In PLO8, I think ranges are constructed to where bet bet jam is just going to play better in the long run. We can just balance by blasting off our good bluff hands like AJJ3 here, especially once we find opponents willing to fold KK on the turn.

pretty sure that's not right. (fwiw i believe ~72.78% equity is correct)

while i'm posting
doesn't seem right to me either, but i'll admit I'm not entirely sure what you are saying.

but if villain had a range of 75% value hands and 25% bluffs where his value hands have 100% equity and his bluffs only 10% equity then an opponent would have 22.5% equity vs. that range.
if rather the opponent has 10% equity vs a range that is 75% value and 25% bluffs and the value range has 100% equity then the bluffs would have 45% equity.

and if we are talking the actual hand, villain's value hands don't have 100% equity on the turn.
if the value hands are for example QJT*,AA** then hero has 14.7% equity vs. value.(rivers a winner 13.4% and rivers a tie 2.65% vs the value range)
and if bluff range is A,K,hh then hero has ~90% equity vs. bluff.
if hero commits to showdown on the turn at a cost of $24.49 to showdown while the pot at showdown will be $58.61.

it is at 35.96% bluffs (64.04% value)that it's breakeven between folding and calling (equilibrium)

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Edit: Wow, sorry. Saw this is Omaha Hi. Your number is correct, but of course that just makes bet bet jam even better.