I think drawing to the nut low is a bigger mistake than calling down with nut low.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Thanks again for the information.

don't disagree

I don't disagree. But also worth noting. If you have A2KK versus your opponent's A34Q on 876hhh, your "made low" is really drawing to running non-counterfeits for low. You'll still win low about 77% of the time.

A23T (vs any random hand) on K54 will make a low 85% of the time.

Which one is the mere draw? Which one is the made hand? Of course that's semantics but all Omaha does weird things to concepts like "made hand" and "draw."

Isn't it 72%?

The donks were surprisingly few and far between this summer.

main point: are you sure of your 85%?

a2KK on a flop of 876 is the nutlow. when an ace or a 2 turn or river or the turn-river combo is A2/2A 'we say' the low has been counterfeit because it is no longer the nutlow, however it is a "made low" on the flop and when counterfiet it remains a "made low" on the river. so i suppose you meant...your 'nut low' is drawing to running non-counterfiets...

Not knowing how to proceed when they are preflop aggressor and flop already makes a possible low. Not sure i know either.

Depends on opposition...say you're fairly deep and have a good read on your opponents. Hit the low on the turn (check it) and then pot on river it improves board (pairs board/flush comes etc).

I've often gotten opponents to fold the nut high (on turn) when the river is a scare card, thereby scooping the pot with just the nut low. Or get someone with a A3, or even 23 to call a big river bet.

Of course, sometimes it backfires and I get quartered!

Ahh.... yes. I did it by hand and forgot to count board pairs as "high" cards, e.g. boards like K54-4-Q. Thanks for pointing this out.

Regardless, my point is that A2 trying to fade counterfeits on one hand or A23 drawing a ton of outs twice or the other aren't really very different in value, although they might call for different strategy.


I don't get the point of this paragraph beyond semantics. Yes, on a runout of 876-A-K or even 876-A-2 our A2 can still show down an eight-low (i.e. a "live card" low). I posited an example we're up against A34. On 876-A-K an eight low isn't worth much against a 7643A low. (The A34 could counterfeit a second time, e.g. 876-A-3, but that's rarer than the A2 counterfeiting once.
) Obviously if we were in a different hand where the opponent has four high cards then any low would be good enough for half the pot, but that wasn't the example I chose.


The semantic point is like saying in hold'em, "I had my 87 lose to pocket nines on a 654-8-7 board, but at least I still had a straight on the river!" or "My 76 flopped two pair on 76J, and then the K-J runout improved me to jacks-and-sevens!"

Please stop giving this information out for free !

That's not how it works in this forum, and never has been.

Yeah coz everyone will immediately turn into robotic crushers.

You get the concept of a strat forum right??

Being way too aggressive on my end in NLO8...bad reg pereeena (sp) raises button to $6, I ship AK85ds because I know pereena calls very light from past hhs just like Gronk and of course he does with QQ32 and wins the ol 45/55 contest pffft. I hate my shove vs a regular 3bet or fold of course, but knowing the villain you have to think some of these old 55/45 will even out right lol.

Ok what are the odds of A 2 being Counterfeit by river ? Can't find it anywhere on pro poker tools . Anyone know?

I've played in home games (non raked) with social players...I see tons of mistakes as almost all of these players come for a NLHE background, not a limit mixed game like I grew up with. So the following are the biggest:

1. Drawing for high once the low hits.
2. Drawing for non nut highs when two low cards flop.
3. Not folding second/third nut flushes...this happens all the time. Same with full houses...people will get stacked off with bottom full house and claim "but I had a full house!).
4. Drawing for low with ZERO high potential (ie. A2QK on a 679 flop)...and with no counterfeit protection.
5. Playing middle cards (6,7,8,9).
6. Flopping a straight with no redraws and stacking off.

I could go on, because the mistakes are truly mind numbing. But in a game like this, NEVER EVER try the naked ace play (betting flush with just the ace)...players don't fold flushes.

plo8 mtt/sngs:

Having a poor sense of various hand type equities at all stages. Most specifically not attacking and defending with stuff that has solid chances like 9924ds when rather short stacked, and then turning around and playing **** like KJT9ss

Probably not since the title of the thread mentions *biggest* mistakes.

Confusing quantity with quality.

Yes, maybe I should have understood this question is not for me, as I rarely get to play with recreational players. When I do, I'd say the biggest mistake is they play very bad pre-flop.

The biggest mistake: being bad.

How profound.

It is possible, the concept is over your head at this point...

Making folds like this after an EP raise and shorty with 14 bb 3 bettin you.
Cant need to much % to make gii profitable ha.


Not to sound bitter or anything but I see same old Stars favourites there zzzz

Maybe!

I'd argue the biggest mistakes players make in PLO8 are wagering money in situations that cause them to lose money. If only they made more profitable wagers!

Interesting comment. I said "they play very bad pre-flop" though. I'm sorry if everything is too vague for you and you'd like to know what exactly a player pool consisting of everyone does wrong.

Players gonna play, searchers gonna search.