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05-31-2020 , 01:06 PM

Asta0

grinder

Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 403

8 handed
100bb

Let's assume our strategy doesn't include a limping range.
It's a live game where people call too wide preflop and don't 3bet enough.

Would you open UTG a hand without an ace in it?

If yes, what hand?

Last edited by Asta0; 05-31-2020 at 01:29 PM.

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05-31-2020 , 11:14 PM

blacklab

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Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,083

I putzed around with a bunch of different combos I thought might be good and this is the only one that was way above 50% equity against a random hand

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
kh ks 4h 3s 2d	62.11%	279,026	339,288	7,429	239,902	25,914
*	37.89%	135,578	253,283	7,429	82,218	25,914

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06-11-2020 , 12:08 AM

NLOmahaHL

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Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 614

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Originally Posted by blacklab

I putzed around with a bunch of different combos I thought might be good and this is the only one that was way above 50% equity against a random hand

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
kh ks 4h 3s 2d	62.11%	279,026	339,288	7,429	239,902	25,914
*	37.89%	135,578	253,283	7,429	82,218	25,914

Exactly what I thought before I saw the chart.

If KK23 DS is best non-ace hand in plo8, why wouldn't adding the other best non-ace wheel card?

Any other hands able to make wheel-9, or wheel Broadway are probably up there too.

Then again, this table you're at, we need some context on post flop play.

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06-11-2020 , 07:58 AM

amok

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Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 3,258

Even that hand is going to make close to zero money honestly. I don't think it's a big deal either way, but you can play these hands so you won't get bored.

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06-11-2020 , 03:14 PM

BHDonkey

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 756

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Originally Posted by blacklab

I putzed around with a bunch of different combos I thought might be good and this is the only one that was way above 50% equity against a random hand

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
kh ks 4h 3s 2d	62.11%	279,026	339,288	7,429	239,902	25,914
*	37.89%	135,578	253,283	7,429	82,218	25,914

One big question I have, and this also relates to when they show odds on TV:

These are all-in odds...most of the time, hands will have to fold on the flop. For example, in this case, the flop might be 279, in which case you would fold to most action...but it might go A5, or K2, and you would scoop had you been in to the river.

I guess this is the problem I see all the time...especially on TV...the odds they show aren't the implied odds...for example, 44 may be a coin flip vs AK, but on a 9-10-J flop, you aren't calling most bets...unless of course you're Mike Postle!

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06-12-2020 , 01:26 AM

monikrazy

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28,053

Some combos of premium kkqx, kk23, kk34, kk45, that's about it

Maybe a few other double-suited connected pairs such as 22/33, 33/44, 44/55 and qq/jj but they are still likely to be more fun than profitable, they get better at deeper stacks

And if you get carried away they can be a huge leak, once you decide to open something like 44/66/ds you are probably in trouble

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