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08-15-2019 , 10:05 AM
6 handed, 5/5/10
Last hand of the night

I (730) open utg to 30 with Ah2h2dQd9c

Button (LAG) calls, straddle (400) (loose weak passive) calls

Flop 9s3d2c

I check to disguise my hand, let the button bet and wait for a good turn since I have no low draw.

Button pot to 100, straddle fold, I call
Turn: 4d

I check, button bet 180 into 300

1) what do you think about flop play?
2) turn play?
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08-15-2019 , 03:15 PM
I think flop is OK, mainly because it doesn't hit your range that well. If you think villain can be betting nearly full range on this turn, you have a good candidate for bluff raising.
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08-15-2019 , 05:28 PM
any reads on his turn sizing? i think having a good idea of 180 into 300 means is a really important thing to know against regular competition.
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08-15-2019 , 05:41 PM
I think it's fine as played on flop - it's not really a "great" board since raising A2 suited you are looking for boards that have nut low-draw + flush-draw or made nut-low. Your hand isn't really that great as far as A2 hands go, you don't have a counterfeit low-card and having a set of deuces never seems to work out without something to go with it. But there are a number of good turns (9/10/J/Q/K) so seems like it's worth seeing a turn for the price.

Unless you have something like A223x / A224x / A225x it really sucks to hit the 2, rarely do sets hold-up in BigO (especially on low-draw boards) and even if you fill you are still easily at risk of getting scooped. Even with the backdoor diamonds they are to the 3rd nuts, so can't feel too amazing about that.

On the turn I think you are better off leading weak for 1/2 pot then check-calling, since you can easily rep A5. But he could definitely have A45xx in his range, betting pot on a flop like the one you got typically means A4 at minimum. Very tricky when it's the last hand and against a LAG player, you know they are more likely to want to gamble then average player so their betting range could be wider than normal.

As played I'd just shut-down and check-fold the turn, last hand of the night I'm not looking to get free-rolled with bottom set for 40% of my stack and no idea where I'm at.
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08-15-2019 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
I think flop is OK, mainly because it doesn't hit your range that well. If you think villain can be betting nearly full range on this turn, you have a good candidate for bluff raising.
I agree. Vilain is a maniac but he's a winning player and very aware of the situation. I think he's betting this turn very wide. I ended up folding but I think he's bluffing a ton here.
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08-15-2019 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kisada
any reads on his turn sizing? i think having a good idea of 180 into 300 means is a really important thing to know against regular competition.
I'm not sure. If he has A5 or 65, I don't think he's betting full pot, especially A5.
It can be a bluff or a monster
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08-15-2019 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SocraticGambler
I think it's fine as played on flop - it's not really a "great" board since raising A2 suited you are looking for boards that have nut low-draw + flush-draw or made nut-low. Your hand isn't really that great as far as A2 hands go, you don't have a counterfeit low-card and having a set of deuces never seems to work out without something to go with it. But there are a number of good turns (9/10/J/Q/K) so seems like it's worth seeing a turn for the price.

Unless you have something like A223x / A224x / A225x it really sucks to hit the 2, rarely do sets hold-up in BigO (especially on low-draw boards) and even if you fill you are still easily at risk of getting scooped. Even with the backdoor diamonds they are to the 3rd nuts, so can't feel too amazing about that.

On the turn I think you are better off leading weak for 1/2 pot then check-calling, since you can easily rep A5. But he could definitely have A45xx in his range, betting pot on a flop like the one you got typically means A4 at minimum. Very tricky when it's the last hand and against a LAG player, you know they are more likely to want to gamble then average player so their betting range could be wider than normal.

As played I'd just shut-down and check-fold the turn, last hand of the night I'm not looking to get free-rolled with bottom set for 40% of my stack and no idea where I'm at.
I need to let him bluff so I don't like a turn lead, I would never lead A5 turn.
He's a maniac so he's range is indeed really wide turn
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08-16-2019 , 03:38 PM
i agree with socratic: my big picture thing here would be to not walk away from the table extremely unhappy with the result on the last hand of the night.

might not be optimal from a big picture session standpoint but that would play into my decision.
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08-16-2019 , 10:52 PM
Sometimes, you have that feeling that you're getting outplayed and have to pull the trigger.
You can't wait for the nuts against a maniac shorthanded.
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08-16-2019 , 11:34 PM
agree and if that's the case then i like the turn c/r line more than anything else.

but you posted that it was the last hand of the night so dynamics other than playing optimally against a maniac seem to be in play for you.
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08-16-2019 , 11:38 PM
You cant fold turn, its call or xr.

Since you say villain is very wide on turn xr is probably best, you have boat and flush redraw, not to mention the wheel.

Pre and flop fine.
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08-17-2019 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
You cant fold turn, its call or xr.

Since you say villain is very wide on turn xr is probably best, you have boat and flush redraw, not to mention the wheel.

Pre and flop fine.
I think you missread the hand
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08-17-2019 , 10:13 PM
unless i'm missing something you have draws to all three. only thing you're missing is an actual low and draw to a 6 high straight.
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08-17-2019 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Asta0
I think you missread the hand
Nope

I saw your post that said you folded and said as played you should never fold.. its a decision between call or jam
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08-17-2019 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kisada
unless i'm missing something you have draws to all three. only thing you're missing is an actual low and draw to a 6 high straight.
I don't understand. What do you mean by "you have draws to all three"? You mean all five to make a wheel?

Draw to a 6 high straight?
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08-17-2019 , 11:50 PM
you have bot set for full house draw, two diamonds for a flush draw, 4 outs to hit a 5 for a wheel draw.
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08-17-2019 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Nope

I saw your post that said you folded and said as played you should never fold.. its a decision between call or jam
Sorry, my bad

You mean calling, hoping to improve or that he shut down his bluffs river?
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08-17-2019 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kisada
you have bot set for full house draw, two diamonds for a flush draw, 4 outs to hit a 5 for a wheel draw.
Thank you for clarifying
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08-19-2019 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Asta0
Sorry, my bad

You mean calling, hoping to improve or that he shut down his bluffs river?
If hero calls turn it is still reasonable to call many rivers unimproved.
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08-19-2019 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Nope

I saw your post that said you folded and said as played you should never fold.. its a decision between call or jam
You're right, I missplay the hand. Fold is the worst option turn. Thanks for the input
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08-23-2019 , 01:18 AM
Limp pre?
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09-05-2019 , 09:51 PM
I don't like the preflop raise...you're hand isn't that good...with zero counterfeit protection on the low, and a 9. I would fold this if the action got hot and heavy. Two bad cards in BigO ( second deuce/nine) is weak.

Flop is really awkward since you have no low draw...if you're opponent is decent, he has a wheel wrap, or a low/straight draw with a set or two pair. Even spewy players wake up with hands...

I'd fold the flop and look for a better situation...
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09-05-2019 , 10:03 PM
And I thought I was a nit. Last hand of the night I'd be happy to get it in pre. Check-folding the flop is borderline insanity.
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09-06-2019 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BHDonkey
I don't like the preflop raise...you're hand isn't that good...with zero counterfeit protection on the low, and a 9. I would fold this if the action got hot and heavy. Two bad cards in BigO ( second deuce/nine) is weak.

Flop is really awkward since you have no low draw...if you're opponent is decent, he has a wheel wrap, or a low/straight draw with a set or two pair. Even spewy players wake up with hands...

I'd fold the flop and look for a better situation...
You can't fold preflop 6 handed on a loose passive table.
Limping might be better then raising.
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09-06-2019 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Asta0
You can't fold preflop 6 handed on a loose passive table.
Limping might be better then raising.
You describe the button as a LAG, and you raised UTG with a garbage hand...so what you describe is not a truly passive table.

Not sure what you are saying...that you can't fold preflop with any hand?

I don't like your play on any street...yes, you'll win on occasion...but the shove and pray strategy (or call and pray) in BigO is not how you want to play the game.
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