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08-15-2020 , 10:12 AM
5/5/10
8 handed
500 eff

UTG raises to 30, UTG+1(Vpip=90%) calls, I pot to 150 with AKQQ3.

My only concern is:

What Idrawtopat is thinking about my 3bet, is it face up?
Should I call instead of 3betting ?

If you have no Idea how to play BigO, please don't answer, I need a real professionnal to answer.
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08-15-2020 , 11:42 AM
With a strong hand vs a fish like that, I like to get the pot going.

More info such as their fold to c-bet rate and your own vpip/table image would help, but on the surface I think you want to try to build a pot here if opponent is seeing most flops and folding half the time vs c-bet, as an example
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08-15-2020 , 02:15 PM
Call much better than 3bet, three diamonds, and only one flush draw, your hand does not want to face another bet or squeeze.

There might even be an argument for fold here.
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08-15-2020 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Call much better than 3bet, three diamonds, and only one flush draw, your hand does not want to face another bet or squeeze.

There might even be an argument for fold here.
Vs a 90 VPiP?
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08-15-2020 , 02:45 PM
Yeh I think it's a bad 3-bet, I'd call 100%. Without donkey caller I wouldn't hate folding.

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Originally Posted by a dewd
Vs a 90 VPiP?
UTG opener is not a 90 VPIP.
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08-15-2020 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by amok
Yeh I think it's a bad 3-bet, I'd call 100%. Without donkey caller I wouldn't hate folding.





UTG opener is not a 90 VPIP.
Ahhhhhh, I did not catch that. UTG (comma) UTG+1.....

Yeah, agreed, call.
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08-15-2020 , 03:11 PM
To clarify, the main argument for fold would be that our hand is too vulnerable to a squeeze, and it sounds like there may be 4 players left to act.

Similarly, we should be playing a very tight strategy as a 50bb stack and while akqq3 is an ok hand, its not good enough to stack off with pf in most scenarios - so 4! for 30% of stack is a disaster - moreover, we will have to put in the rest on a ton of flops.
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08-15-2020 , 05:19 PM
If the 3 was a 2, would it be ok to 3bet?
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08-15-2020 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Asta0
If the 3 was a 2, would it be ok to 3bet?
Yes.

Of course, with that hand call and raising less than pot are still reasonable options.
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08-15-2020 , 05:42 PM
2/2, sure.
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08-15-2020 , 05:48 PM
definitely forget what that other dude was talking about.

i think this is not a good 3-bet and would definitely prefer calling.
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08-15-2020 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Yes.

Of course, with that hand call and raising less than pot are still reasonable options.
Why raising less than pot? Because we're shallow?
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08-16-2020 , 09:33 PM
Can't imagine doing anything other than calling.
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08-18-2020 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
To clarify, the main argument for fold would be that our hand is too vulnerable to a squeeze, and it sounds like there may be 4 players left to act.

Similarly, we should be playing a very tight strategy as a 50bb stack and while akqq3 is an ok hand, its not good enough to stack off with pf in most scenarios - so 4! for 30% of stack is a disaster - moreover, we will have to put in the rest on a ton of flops.
Agreed.
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08-18-2020 , 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by monikrazy
To clarify, the main argument for fold would be that our hand is too vulnerable to a squeeze, and it sounds like there may be 4 players left to act.

Similarly, we should be playing a very tight strategy as a 50bb stack and while akqq3 is an ok hand, its not good enough to stack off with pf in most scenarios - so 4! for 30% of stack is a disaster - moreover, we will have to put in the rest on a ton of flops.
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Originally Posted by Draw2pat
Agreed.
why not ask OP to clarify Hero's position, it obviously has an influence?

did UTG (the preflop raiser) post the $10 blind? seems to me it would be useful for this to be clarified so that we can then assume posters understand and account for it.

with UTG raising and UTG+1 calling .....Hero is the 3-better (3!) not 4!. the 3bet for $150 is 30% of effective stacks. Doesn't this make hero the 'squeezer'?
a hero that 3bets 30% of effective stacks must be planning to call a 4bet, unless he's expecting folds to his 3bet 70+%of the time, so I'm really confused about hero's vulnerability to a squeeze.

the above notwithstanding, its clear you believe (AK3)QQ is not strong enough to get all in preflop (3-bet/call) or on most flops for a pot bet.
so, for my clarification...what are you assuming UTG"s ranges to be; open, fold to 3-bet, call 3-bet, 4bet(shove)? is UTG influenced by having "a whale" to his immediate right?
and What is hero's perceived 3bet range?

Last edited by ngFTW; 08-18-2020 at 12:55 PM.
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08-18-2020 , 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ngFTW
why not ask OP to clarify Hero's position, it obviously has an influence?

did UTG (the preflop raiser) post the $10 blind? seems to me it would be useful for this to be clarified so that we can then assume posters understand and account for it.

with UTG raising and UTG+1 calling .....Hero is the 3-better (3!) not 4!. the 3bet for $150 is 30% of effective stacks. Doesn't this make hero the 'squeezer'?
a hero that 3bets 30% of effective stacks must be planning to call a 4bet, unless he's expecting folds to his 3bet 70+%of the time, so I'm really confused about hero's vulnerability to a squeeze.

the above notwithstanding, its clear you believe (AK3)QQ is not strong enough to get all in preflop (3-bet/call) or on most flops for a pot bet.
so, for my clarification...what are you assuming UTG"s ranges to be; open, fold to 3-bet, call 3-bet, 4bet(shove)? is UTG influenced by having "a whale" to his immediate right?
and What is hero's perceived 3bet range?
For sake of discussion let’s say OP 3bet is +EV vs an utg range (even though it’s probably not). The EV can’t be more than $20-25 pre rake and there’s the non zero amount utg 4bets and pushes the fish out of the pot. Then there’s post flop considerations. SPR is low which is actually an advantage for weak players. I said in the other thread, in live poker people over call way too much especially in split pot games. You have to question what is the actual EV of playing the hand this way and if there is a more profitable line which imo there is.
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08-18-2020 , 02:22 PM
Ngftw, i was talking about the potential for hero to call $30 and face a squeeze/4! from a player yet to act.
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08-26-2020 , 07:18 PM
What position you are in is VERY relevant for this type of 3bet.
Big difference between being LJ/HJ and 3betting and still having 4/5 players left to wake up with a hand, and being on the BTN. Being in the SB/BB changes up what hands should be 3bet by a lot as well.

In general you are too shallow to be 3betting anything but the most premium hands
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