125 bb effective

Hero CO AK833

Limped Pot

Flop 245r

Ep checks, Hero Checks, Bu Pot, Ep call, Hero pot, Bu call, EP call

Turn 2x

Ep check, Hero Check, BU Pot (all in), EP call,

Hero?

Very dependent on stacks and pot size. Both limping and c/r flop are borderline ******ed in a vacuum.

I’d just bet the flop

You have to write down the pot size and stack size on each street to make the hand easiest to read. Suits are relevant too, do you have backdoors?

Fold preflop
As played, check flop is fine, button should have at 63, A3 or better, Ep always have A3, You're often playing for 1/4 of the pot with no redraw, I would fold. Raising is the worst option.
On the turn, you're still being quartered in the best case scenario.

5bb in the pot on flop
90bb on turn. Shove was 90bb into 90bb and ep called.

Yes I had the back door nut flush on the flop, no good on turn.

So, fold pre flop got it. I thought the A3s with a pair would be ok. What should I be looking for? Big pairs and suited wheel hands? Should I have an over call range at all?

On the flop I assumed I was facing bets from more sets than 3x hands because of my threes + EP was very drunk. But I concede that my play was poor. Should I assume sets are rarely if ever value betting without a strong low draw?

Clearly the turn is a spot I shouldn't have put myself in. This is the first time I've played a game other than NLHE. No one had 63 or 55 in this hand.

You're looking for strong high hands, strong low hands when you can smash or miss the flop. And 2 ways hands which play well on many flops.

Why would a set bet 542r?
The 2 others people can still have A3. Button has always better than A3 if he knows what he's doing. A36 or A3+set or 2p
Low draw? You mean strong low. I don't think button should bet A655. So, even top set with 2nd low is an easy check.

sounds a bit simplistic to generalize but you're looking for as strong a hand as possible.

so AWW suited type hands. the lower the wheel cards, the better. hands like yours play poorly postflop and run into all sorts issues so ideally the wheel cards are unpaired.

in 5 card PLO games you basically learn to expect the nuts on flops like these, among others. it's a universe of difference from holdem. people won't usually play sets on this type of flop without a lock low.

No one wants to put in money besides A3 because that hand is freerolling.
The fact that btn and EP did that, and considering you have one of the worst A3 possible, I fold flop. Which is one of the reasons you should fold pre

The problem is that your pair is worthless, since a set of 3's is so weak on nearly any board. There aren't really many good hands for such hand, except like wheel/nut low+nfd. In all those cases, you'd rather not have the duplicate 3, since any other card would help you to make two pairs for example.

You'd probably beat a game like this by just playing strong starting hands, which mostly means A2. Yes you should have over limping range here.

On the flop I'd probably check-call and re-evaluate turn, with the knowledge that these players are betting (and calling) marginal holdings.

*many good flops

yeah, i c/c flop and see what they do on the turn.

sometimes opponents show up with wacky stuff that makes you go "what in the hell were they thinking?" like last week i had a guy c/r when we were 100bb deep with his set/fd when it was clear i had a wheel.

but most of the time that's quite, quite rare. usually what's happening with a hand like this is you're along for a ride that you didn't want to be a part of. like where you hit your wheel but it's on a flush/paired/big straight board and your opponents are looking to shovel money in with a quartering type hand.