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Old 07-12-2020, 07:52 AM   #1
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Big O - A27KK

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8 handed

UTG(215) limps, I(1100) raise to 50 with A2KK6, MP(500) calls, Btn(2000) calls, fold, fold, fold.

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K97
Straddle checks, UTG bets all-in for 165

Are you calling to invite people in or raising?

UTG is steaming and very wide.
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Old 07-12-2020, 09:31 AM   #2
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Re: Big O - A27KK

I'd rather have no raises in this spot.
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Old 07-12-2020, 10:16 AM   #3
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I'd rather have no raises in this spot.
Agree, I think I made a mistake
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Old 07-12-2020, 03:30 PM   #4
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I'd rather have no raises in this spot.
Pardon my ignorance, but what does this mean?
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Old 07-12-2020, 04:11 PM   #5
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Re: Big O - A27KK

means he wants to protect his calling range, by flatting with his strong hands.
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Old 07-13-2020, 10:47 AM   #6
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Re: Big O - A27KK

Yep. Especially if we were a bit deeper, I'd have only calls and folds in this spot. Our calling range works much better if we are not excluding all the strongest hands already on the flop by raising them.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:35 AM   #7
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Yep. Especially if we were a bit deeper, I'd have only calls and folds in this spot. Our calling range works much better if we are not excluding all the strongest hands already on the flop by raising them.
Personally, on this flop considering we raised preflop, you could easily be representing a nut flush draw/backdoor low/high pair combo (AA2/A2K) here. And someone who flopped a set of nines/sevens will often stack off here, at least in the spewy games I've played...since I play my draws as strong as my sets, they'll often put me on the hand they can beat!
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Old 07-13-2020, 12:26 PM   #8
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Re: Big O - A27KK

Against a set it doesn't matter whether we call or raise. If I had a big draw, I'd much rather call than raise.
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Old 07-13-2020, 01:24 PM   #9
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Against a set it doesn't matter whether we call or raise. If I had a big draw, I'd much rather call than raise.
I guess the question is do we want to push them out or pull them in? Really it's player dependent.
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Old 07-13-2020, 03:09 PM   #10
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I guess the question is do we want to push them out or pull them in? Really it's player dependent.
If we have a nutty draw with a player all-in, there is nothing player dependent. We want them in.
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Old 07-31-2020, 02:29 AM   #11
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Re: Big O - A27KK

Id flat KK with the nut spades and even the nut spade blockers, and be looking to raise KK that need more protection like this one.

I think KK benefits alot from shutting out hands that
have little nut equity, but have a ton of equity vs KK. A hand like 86 with spades is flipping with us(for the high) but can't really call a raise.

I think we should have raises in all spots, otherwise we give too much equity for super cheap

I think as a general point, with shorter stacks all in, we don't have to protect our ranges as much by strengthening checks, because the third player is the deterrent to bluffs, moreso than having strong hands in our passive ranges
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