Full 8-handed table. 1/2 blinds.

I'm in BB. $500.

I have A2348 suited to my 2 and 3.


Folds all the way up to CO.

CO ($200) raises to $7. Dunno him.

BTN (covers me) raises to $21. LAG in that he likes to 3b a fair amount pre and can be quite loose with his overall opening range.

SB folds

up to me in BB.


I feel like when we get to the flop and start jamming, the confidence of my jam hands is going to be mitigated substantially on most FD flops. Almost feels like my options for going high are kinda compromised 3-way.

Beyond that, we're playing a pot deep OP and if CO comes along, flops will go all in quite often.

Is this too conservative a fold, all things considered? If this hand is a fold, how about if we change the 8 to a 5 or a 6?

Thanks

I think calling is OK, since BTN sounds like a player who puts a lot of money in bad sometimes.

thanks, i think that certainly might be the most important point here, i.e. villain possibly jamming with second nut low draws and such.

I think fold is fine with all the info provided, limited hi potential is never good

There are still reasonable arguments to call

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fold is fine... call if u r capable of getting away from being 1/4

depends on CO opening range and what this particular LAG has in his 3b range given the game. If he's loose enough to be 3betting high hands then calling, or even cold 4b is feasible.

folding in this spot can never be terrible, for when you cold call, your a bit face up.

also, your table image matters.

If you are folding A234X preflop you should probably consider playing a different game.

If you think A2348 is a strong hand you should probably consider playing a different game

Why is this a bad starting hand?

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
A2348	42.90%	135,987	203,379	31,388	159,817	136,894
10%	57.10%	228,765	365,233	31,388	6,784	136,894

I don't understand what the second line is showing. Does this mean that the top 10% of hands have 57% equity?

How much equity does a hand need to be a good starting hand?

Yes.
Hard to say. The more the better.

I think its tough to use a preflop equity calculator to think that you would realize anywhere near that equity amount. Post flop playability of having nutty hands is way more likely to realize its equity especially in big bet games.

While hands like K234hAh and AK23h4h will have similarish equity, the nut flush A4hh draw will realize its equity way more than a 34hh draw

Well, OTOH hands like A2348 tend to realize equity well since A8 is pretty much never good if you "miss" the board. Same doesn't go for AK. I'm saying that A234 is nutty (disregarding flushes), because equity is concentrated on certain boards.

Their equity difference is ~1,2% against 100% range and ~1,5% against 15% range, hardly similarish.

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
AsKd4h3h2c	50.98%	171,695	227,380	54,670	182,704	134,142
15%	49.02%	160,458	317,950	54,670	7,991	134,142

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
AhKd4h3s2c	52.55%	180,905	240,156	54,104	182,133	133,808
15%	47.45%	154,225	305,740	54,104	7,963	133,808

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
AsKd4h3h2c	57.87%	244,128	265,087	15,854	296,101	30,548
100%	42.13%	153,152	319,059	15,854	11,698	30,548

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Scoops	Wins Hi	Ties Hi	Wins Lo	Ties Lo
AhKd4h3s2c	59.05%	253,374	274,925	16,155	295,812	30,612
100%	40.95%	148,695	308,920	16,155	11,778	30,612