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05-06-2024 , 12:55 AM
Game is PLO Hi/Lo. I couldn't find a Hand converter which worked for this hand.

Here is a good example of a spot where I need to improve my betting, but not sure how to go about it.

I have a decent flop but if I bet and get called or raised, I am likely beat, if I check, a lot of scare cards will come. The one good thing is I am in position .

What is a good approach to this scenario?

The only thing I can think of is that a 1/2 pot bet accomplishes pretty much the same as a pot sized bet.

PokerStars Hand #248490947430: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2024/01/25 14:20:57 ET

Seat 3: Player ($1.39 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 1: SB ($3.39 in chips)
Seat 2: Villain($2 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG ($0.96 in chips)
Seat 5: CO ($1.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($2.04 in chips)
SB: posts small blind $0.01
Villain: posts big blind $0.02
zerobytes: sits out

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [2s Ks 7s 3c]
UTG: folds
CO: folds
Hero: raises $0.05 to $0.07
SB: folds
Villain: calls $0.05

*** FLOP *** [9c Kc 7c]

Villain: checks

Hero ????
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05-06-2024 , 01:12 AM
For me a very clear fold pre (even without absurd rake).

Flop I'd rather check but nothing wrong with betting half. Why do you think these "scare cards" are to your opponent's favor? You can't (well at least shouldn't) try to protect every mediocre made hand you flop.
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05-06-2024 , 01:45 AM
I'd probably open it too against most opponents.

I think betting and checking are viable options. I'd say my default would be to check.
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05-06-2024 , 02:06 AM
What winrate would you guess opening this hand generates in a 1/2 game?

Spoiler:
-0,1bb i.e. -10bb/100.

So in a .01/.02 game it's probably -100bb/100 or around that. Stop opening horseshit.
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05-06-2024 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by amok
What winrate would you guess opening this hand generates in a 1/2 game?

Spoiler:
-0,1bb i.e. -10bb/100.

So in a .01/.02 game it's probably -100bb/100 or around that. Stop opening horseshit.
Some 23xx hands can be opened and if we are going to open them it may as well be for a Steal. What would this hand have needed to be playable in your mind? No aces allowed.

I think if all the cards were 6 or below it would be worth playing. If the 7 was T-K the hand would probably would be worth playing. Of course double suited makes a difference rather than three to a suit.

I think what throws this hand off is the disconnected side cards: Of the six total combos the only really playable hands are Kxs and 23.
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05-06-2024 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BoisePokerPlayer
Some 23xx hands can be opened and if we are going to open them it may as well be for a Steal. What would this hand have needed to be playable in your mind? No aces allowed.

I think if all the cards were 6 or below it would be worth playing. If the 7 was T-K the hand would probably would be worth playing. Of course double suited makes a difference rather than three to a suit.

I think what throws this hand off is the disconnected side cards: Of the six total combos the only really playable hands are Kxs and 23.
Its a little of everything. Making the 7 a wheel card or a broadway card is better, having two spades instead of 3 is better (and double suited better still obv).

Flop I'll disagree and say that bet seems really really bad to me. Getting raised would be a complete disaster. There are very few bad turns for this hand.
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05-06-2024 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BoisePokerPlayer
Some 23xx hands can be opened and if we are going to open them it may as well be for a Steal. What would this hand have needed to be playable in your mind? No aces allowed.

I think if all the cards were 6 or below it would be worth playing. If the 7 was T-K the hand would probably would be worth playing. Of course double suited makes a difference rather than three to a suit.

I think what throws this hand off is the disconnected side cards: Of the six total combos the only really playable hands are Kxs and 23.
Around half of the 23-hands with no A open (I always assume pot open, don't know what exactly you mean by "a Steal").

A triple suit with disconnected cards is not very close to being in the top half. If we take the rake into account these 23xx and similar are exactly the type of hands I'd start tightening from. In the game in question I might open 10-25% of 23xx, also depending how much they defend and the more they defend, the more I tighten mediocre hands!

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
Flop I'll disagree and say that bet seems really really bad to me. Getting raised would be a complete disaster. There are very few bad turns for this hand.
My intention is to simply fold to a raise. I don't think people raise-bluff nowhere near enough for it to be a problem. In theory you might be right - betting is wasting a good bluff catcher (once flop is checked). I don't think people bluff enough even after the flop is checked, which devalues the check-line a bit.
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05-08-2024 , 12:10 AM
Thank you everybody for the replies. This drove home that I need to improve my preflop play.
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05-13-2024 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Razor's Edge
Thank you everybody for the replies. This drove home that I need to improve my preflop play.

Rake is disproportionally high at those stakes and players play too many hands preflop. This combo leads to a preflop strategy that is really tight accross all positions.
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